[Politics] Brexit

[Dorset Seagull]

Presumably you aren’t being charged vat by Amazon which will now be collected by the nation you are living in. Could it be that as i’m not sure what the vat rate is where you are

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I don't know about amazon, but quite a number of retailers are no longer shipping to the UK because the government is requiring the retailer to collect and file VAT, at huge cost for the retailer.

A rather ridiculous example is https://www.brooksengland.com/ - saddles that are made in the midlands, but are sold out of italy, can no longer be bought in the UK.

Im aware craft brewers are finding the going tough with exports. Cloudwater, one of the bigger and more established companies, have suspended sales to the EU. If they’re struggling I can only assume breweries smaller than them are....and this is on top of the pandemic. Fuerst Wiacek, in Berlin, have stopped sales to the U.K. as well. The U.K. is a small market compared to the EU bloc so they are not too fussed....but the reverse for Cloudwater must hit them hard.

 

[Gazwag]

Yes but, yes but, there will be millions a day going to the NHS

 

[Hotchilidog]

My friend is a buyer for a major retail outlet, and Brexit has been a nightmare dealing with European suppliers as costs have been added to every transaction. Friction free trade is a myth. Whilst COVID remains quite rightly at the top of our priority list, the negative impacts of Brexit have snuck under the radar. This will be the big story for the second half of the year.

 

[beorhthelm]

How does this square with “free trade deal” then? Is free trade just for B2B?

that seems the size of it. buyers have to pay local VAT now and hope the vendor offsets by offering ex-VAT price. not sure Amazon and others have setup for that yet.

 

[The Clamp]

A few things I order in from Spain and Germany are not longer shipping to the U.K. because of the cost and hassle. It’s just littel bit and pieces but Britain is getting smaller and more insular by the day.
This is what we meant by a return to the 60’s. When it was difficult to get products from Europe. People marvelling over a Spanish wine somebody has brought back from their exotic Spanish holiday.
Not good.

 

[studio150]

Free trade deal was what was said. I buy (a fair bit) of vinyl from the U.K. I bought 4 records last night and had to pay an extra 15% in “custom duties and taxes.”

Purchase was made through Amazon.

What’s this about and does it impact all purchases from the U.K.?

This what Burning Shed will do, and is also the same detail as posted by SDE.
This is still effectively a free trade deal as VAT would have been applied by the UK retailer previously as the goods would have been transferring within the single market.
Happy to be corrected, but expecting the reverse when I buy from Europe, although currently some sites are not shipping to the UK, hopefully just to see how things settle down.

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We will not charge EU customers VAT on physical products (for example CD, vinyl, t-shirts).

We will ship your order by post or courier as usual. There will be electronic customs data about what is inside. This will tell the postal (or courier) service the total cost of each package we send you including shipping.

For goods up to a value of €22 (excluding postage) you should not have to pay any VAT or import duties.
For goods with a value between €22 and up to €150 you will be charged VAT at your local rate (for example, 21% in Spain or 19% in Germany).
For goods with a value over €150 you will be charged VAT at your local rate and you may have to pay some import duty as well.

Your local postal service or customs office might also charge a handling fee on top of the VAT and import duty.
Please note that any extra import duty, tariff or handling fee charged by your local customs system is your responsibility to pay.

If you are a EU customer and you buy a download you will be charged the local VAT rate of your country (as we do now).

 

[knocky1]

M&S having a Percy Pig problem. They import from Germany tariff free. They then send some to Ireland and have a 15% duty imposed. If they open the packet and put some on a cake there is no duty.

 

[Happy Exile]

If you look on ebay there's an automated thing now for some goods from the EU that tells you 20% VAT will be added. Our market as buyers and to compete as sellers has got a lot smaller.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Just a thought, HT, do you have a UK address where the vinyl can be delivered, and then you pick it up when you pop over?

 

[Lever]

Oh I'm sure you all would get a similar response (or much worse) in real life if you all carried on the way you do on here. Overall, most of the leave voting element on here have been remarkably restrained but then again we have always held the moral high ground [emoji106]

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Interesting comment... can you expand on that point? What moral high ground are you claiming?

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Free trade deal was what was said.?

Actually a non-tariff deal. Unless either side gets advantage from diverging on standards. Then either side can apply. Or something like that.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Morning,

About 7,000 frontline office workers represented by the Unison trade union accepted the energy company’s new terms last month, and 4,000 non-unionised staff also agreed to sign new contracts.

As usual it seems GMB are central to this!

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....s-workers-strike-thursday-restructuring-talks




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Yes indeed.

As if those crayons would be out of your mouth long enough to highlight anything

I've already highlighted your stupidity, how's your informed friend coping btw
Regards
DF

 

[Jim in the West]

If you look on ebay there's an automated thing now for some goods from the EU that tells you 20% VAT will be added. Our market as buyers and to compete as sellers has got a lot smaller.

Yes - the UK has decided that every EU company that wants to export to the UK has to register with HMRC, charge UK VAT, collect that VAT, and then remit it to HMRC. The plus side is that this should reduce VAT-fraud (and stop goods being imported into this country without VAT being charged or paid). The previous system (for all non-EU countries) required VAT and customs declarations, and the courier company/post office, etc helped to collect the VAT (eg: if you bought something from the US depending on its value, you'd have to pay VAT and customs duties to the carrier). We could have introduced this scheme for EU countries, but HMRC basically doesn't have the manpower to police it. Hence, we've gone down a route which effectively transfers much of the admin to the seller. As has been reported, many suppliers are deciding that it's too much like hard work, and are therefore not supplying UK customers anymore. Yet again we can be thankful to our Lords and Masters, those buccaneers of free trade....only they could have so successfully introduced a system guaranteed to reduce trade.

 

[ConfusedGloryHunter]

Never mind your VAT issues, I just looked in a drawer and my passport is still a grotty red colour. Were we lied to about some of these things?

 

[happypig]

https://www.dutchbikebits.com/shipping

Brexit



Unfortunately, we will not be able to send parcels to the UK from mid December 2020 onward. Quite apart from uncertainty surrounding the shipping cost, taxation etc. after that time, there is also a problem caused by the British government deciding to impose a unique taxation regime which will require every company in the world in every country in the world outside the UK which exports to the UK to apply and collect British taxes on behalf of the British government. For providing this service they intend to charge a fee to every company in the world in every country in the world which exports to the UK. Clearly this is ludicrous for one country, but imagine if every country in the world had the same idea. If every country decided to behave in the same way then we would have to pay 195 fees every year, keep up with the changes in taxation law for 195 different countries, keep accounts on behalf of 195 different countries and submit payments to 195 tax offices in 195 different countries, and jump through whatever hoops were required to prove that we were doing all of this honestly and without any error.



Therefore from mid December 2020 onward we ship to every country in the world... except the UK.

https://www.lamnia.com

Every product:

Unfortunately this product can not be delivered to your country.

 

[Stat Brother]

Yes - the UK has decided that every EU company that wants to export to the UK has to register with HMRC, charge UK VAT, collect that VAT, and then remit it to HMRC. The plus side is that this should reduce VAT-fraud (and stop goods being imported into this country without VAT being charged or paid). The previous system (for all non-EU countries) required VAT and customs declarations, and the courier company/post office, etc helped to collect the VAT (eg: if you bought something from the US depending on its value, you'd have to pay VAT and customs duties to the carrier). We could have introduced this scheme for EU countries, but HMRC basically doesn't have the manpower to police it. Hence, we've gone down a route which effectively transfers much of the admin to the seller. As has been reported, many suppliers are deciding that it's too much like hard work, and are therefore not supplying UK customers anymore. Yet again we can be thankful to our Lords and Masters, those buccaneers of free trade....only they could have so successfully introduced a system guaranteed to reduce trade.

They should have written that on the side of a bus.

 

[beorhthelm]

M&S having a Percy Pig problem. They import from Germany tariff free. They then send some to Ireland and have a 15% duty imposed. If they open the packet and put some on a cake there is no duty.

cant work out if thats cock-up in interpretation or cock-up in the agreement. shirley no one intended for EU made goods to incur tariffs going back to EU.

 

[ozzygull]

Yes - the UK has decided that every EU company that wants to export to the UK has to register with HMRC, charge UK VAT, collect that VAT, and then remit it to HMRC. The plus side is that this should reduce VAT-fraud (and stop goods being imported into this country without VAT being charged or paid). The previous system (for all non-EU countries) required VAT and customs declarations, and the courier company/post office, etc helped to collect the VAT (eg: if you bought something from the US depending on its value, you'd have to pay VAT and customs duties to the carrier). We could have introduced this scheme for EU countries, but HMRC basically doesn't have the manpower to police it. Hence, we've gone down a route which effectively transfers much of the admin to the seller. As has been reported, many suppliers are deciding that it's too much like hard work, and are therefore not supplying UK customers anymore. Yet again we can be thankful to our Lords and Masters, those buccaneers of free trade....only they could have so successfully introduced a system guaranteed to reduce trade.

My company is moving it's distribution centre to France as being in the UK is too much of pain now. Never mind, I am sure those people losing their jobs will be pleased to have a blue passport as compensation.

 

[WATFORD zero]

cant work out if thats cock-up in interpretation or cock-up in the agreement. shirley no one intended for EU made goods to incur tariffs going back to EU.

Well once the Government have read and figured out what they have negotiated and signed, maybe we'll find out where the cock up is and it can be addressed (or not) depending on the outcome

Or it could be rules of origin on the original ingredients that were bought into Germany, then exported out of the EU and then imported back into the EU. Who could have guessed it was going to be this complicated.