[Politics] Brexit

[nicko31]

Great article how the rightwing millionaires used the poor and ignored as political cover in 2016

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ots-movement-elitist-takeover-2016-referendum

The world will hopefully learn from our grave error

#victimsofbrexit

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

But everyone that doesn't bury their head in the sand sees gammons getting angry when Brexit caused issues arise.

Your response of leaping to insults said it all.

Remainers don't exist anymore, we're all leavers. However, angry gammons are still a live and kicking. You won, why be angry?

No you're quite right remainers don't exist any more they've now morphed into EU loons
Regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Great article how the rightwing millionaires used the poor and ignored as political cover in 2016

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ots-movement-elitist-takeover-2016-referendum

The world will hopefully learn from our grave error

#victimsofbrexit

The world, the Guardian?, I've just cracked a rib !
Regards
DF

 

[pastafarian]

undemocratic loons?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...te-article-50-second-referendum-a7629636.html

Glad you agree with what he was moaning about all those years ago.


“In democratic nations we hold regular meaningful elections where voters can stick with what they have or wipe the slate clean.
Crucial to this principle of people power is the rule that a government cannot bind its successors.
For example, if a party won an election promising to cut taxes, then it would have a mandate to do so.
But if that party could then pass a law saying no government could ever raise taxes again, it would undermine the right of the electorate to change its mind in future.
However, the EU has no such concept.
What it has is the acquis communautaire, a doctrine which states that the powers the EU has acquired belong to the EU forever.
This is not just undemocratic, it is anti-democratic.
Anti-democratic because through this doctrine the EU specifically seeks to bypass the views of voters.
If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy”


We are of course entitled to change our mind about the decision to Leave and rejoin in the future.
No one has ever said they can not do this.
If we ever do decide to rejoin in the future via a referendum let us hope there will not be undemocratic loons of your ilk around to say `screw that result, lets ignore it and stay OUT instead`.

Remainers don't exist anymore, we're all leavers.

And have been since the referendum decision. Just took you years to get it into your thick head and accept it………………because you are an undemocratic loon.

 

[crodonilson]

My sources tell me talks didn't go well at all over dinner. Not helped by an undercooked chicken supreme. Looks like we're headed for a disastrous no deal, nothing oven ready or ready to pop into the microwave.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

Glad you agree with what he was moaning about all those years ago.


“In democratic nations we hold regular meaningful elections where voters can stick with what they have or wipe the slate clean.
Crucial to this principle of people power is the rule that a government cannot bind its successors.
For example, if a party won an election promising to cut taxes, then it would have a mandate to do so.
But if that party could then pass a law saying no government could ever raise taxes again, it would undermine the right of the electorate to change its mind in future.
However, the EU has no such concept.
What it has is the acquis communautaire, a doctrine which states that the powers the EU has acquired belong to the EU forever.
This is not just undemocratic, it is anti-democratic.
Anti-democratic because through this doctrine the EU specifically seeks to bypass the views of voters.
If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy”


We are of course entitled to change our mind about the decision to Leave and rejoin in the future.
No one has ever said they can not do this.
If we ever do decide to rejoin in the future via a referendum let us hope there will not be undemocratic loons of your ilk around to say `screw that result, lets ignore it and stay OUT instead`.





And have been since the referendum decision. Just took you years to get it into your thick head and accept it………………because you are an undemocratic loon.

Sadly you're still red faced and angry. You won, be happy.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

My sources tell me talks didn't go well at all over dinner. Not helped by an undercooked chicken supreme. Looks like we're headed for a disastrous no deal, nothing oven ready or ready to pop into the microwave.

Taking back control
Regards
DF

 

[beorhthelm]

too many redlines both sides. cant reach agreement without one backing down on something. no trade deal incoming. fallback deal for other areas likely all possible now.

 

[pastafarian]

Sadly you're still red faced and angry. You won, be happy.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

too many redlines both sides. cant reach agreement without one backing down on something. no trade deal incoming. fallback deal for other areas likely all possible now.

Discussions being dragged out till Sunday Boris should have been cruel to be Kind .
Regards
DF

 

[nicko31]

too many redlines both sides. cant reach agreement without one backing down on something. no trade deal incoming. fallback deal for other areas likely all possible now.

Its been pretty clear for quite a while from the EU, if we want zero tariffs on goods we need to maintain high standards, otherwise its tariffs.

We're 8% of their trade, significant but we will still trade just buy less and pay more.

If you want to be 100% sovereign we can have it, but we will be poorer and our Union will fail

Still think its no deal, Johnson will always put himself first

 

[beorhthelm]

Its been pretty clear for quite a while from the EU, if we want zero tariffs on goods we need to maintain high standards, otherwise its tariffs.

We're 8% of their trade, significant but we will still trade just buy less and pay more.

If you want to be 100% sovereign we can have it, but we will be poorer and our Union will fail

Still think its no deal, Johnson will always put himself first

agree except the last point. Johnson wants a deal, otherwise he hasnt delivered what he promised. if he wanted no deal they'd have stopped negotiations months ago, tell business thats what future is and we'd be in a better position. the past 2-3 months was all about appearances of tough negotiation expecting a breakthrough, then sell the deal, here and there. couple of weeks ago it was done, went backwards, now no one has achieved anything and some hard questions asked how it was misjudged.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

agree except the last point. Johnson wants a deal, otherwise he hasnt delivered what he promised. if he wanted no deal they'd have stopped negotiations months ago, tell business thats what future is and we'd be in a better position. the past 2-3 months was all about appearances of tough negotiation expecting a breakthrough, then sell the deal, here and there. couple of weeks ago it was done, went backwards, now no one has achieved anything and some hard questions asked how it was misjudged.

He needs to decide if it’s no deal or a compromise. The huge problem is that, as we all know, Boris is incapable of making decisions. At home he typically goes missing. But this is something he can’t really escape for a few days and get someone else to do.

Personally I hope the EU stick to their guns and screw him into the ground. Someone sensible can then come along and clear up his mess.

 

[vegster]

He needs to decide if it’s no deal or a compromise. The huge problem is that, as we all know, Boris is incapable of making decisions. At home he typically goes missing. But this is something he can’t really escape for a few days and get someone else to do.

Personally I hope the EU stick to their guns and screw him into the ground. Someone sensible can then come along and clear up his mess.

The mood music from last nights meeting sounds pretty grim, BBC reporting that all that was agreed was to mutually quit the negotiations if it all has not all been finalised by Sunday evening... Where did all the Brexit promises go?... As you say, the sooner the Prime Minstrel quits the better.

Trouble is, there is no one credible in the Tory Party capable of the leadership and the ability to get us out of the shit so it looks like we are well stuffed.

 

[Lever]

Glad you agree with what he was moaning about all those years ago.


“In democratic nations we hold regular meaningful elections where voters can stick with what they have or wipe the slate clean.
Crucial to this principle of people power is the rule that a government cannot bind its successors.
For example, if a party won an election promising to cut taxes, then it would have a mandate to do so.
But if that party could then pass a law saying no government could ever raise taxes again, it would undermine the right of the electorate to change its mind in future.
However, the EU has no such concept.
What it has is the acquis communautaire, a doctrine which states that the powers the EU has acquired belong to the EU forever.
This is not just undemocratic, it is anti-democratic.
Anti-democratic because through this doctrine the EU specifically seeks to bypass the views of voters.
If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy”


We are of course entitled to change our mind about the decision to Leave and rejoin in the future.
No one has ever said they can not do this.
If we ever do decide to rejoin in the future via a referendum let us hope there will not be undemocratic loons of your ilk around to say `screw that result, lets ignore it and stay OUT instead`.





And have been since the referendum decision. Just took you years to get it into your thick head and accept it………………because you are an undemocratic loon.

There you go again using your meaningless worn out phrase 'undemocratic loon', making things up and being gratuitously rude.

It's your trademark.


https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/10/26...fabric-being-eroded-boris-johnsons-government

 

[Lever]

Its been pretty clear for quite a while from the EU, if we want zero tariffs on goods we need to maintain high standards, otherwise its tariffs.

We're 8% of their trade, significant but we will still trade just buy less and pay more.

If you want to be 100% sovereign we can have it, but we will be poorer and our Union will fail

Still think its no deal, Johnson will always put himself first

Yes... I agree.
This article seems to express the options well.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/08/exit-brexit-deal-wealth-sovereignty-timescale

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

He needs to decide if it’s no deal or a compromise. The huge problem is that, as we all know, Boris is incapable of making decisions. At home he typically goes missing. But this is something he can’t really escape for a few days and get someone else to do.

Personally I hope the EU stick to their guns and screw him into the ground. Someone sensible can then come along and clear up his mess.

the EU aren't screwing anyone to the Ground get that day dream out of your head ,taking back control
Regards
DF

 

[Is it PotG?]

Yes... I agree.
This article seems to express the options well.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/08/exit-brexit-deal-wealth-sovereignty-timescale

I DO love the balanced views of such a politically neutral newspaper.

 

[Lever]

I DO love the balanced views of such a politically neutral newspaper.

That's good then. But I recommend ALWAYS looking at the source of the message as NOTHING and NO ONE is entirely objective.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

the EU aren't screwing anyone to the Ground get that day dream out of your head ,taking back control
Regards
DF

Given he said he’d walk away on 15th October if there wasn’t a deal AND he’s had three dates with this German lady to try and get a deal since....I beg to differ.