[Politics] Brexit

[wellquickwoody]

Who's laughing ? And what is 'left' or 'right' about Brexit ?

They are simply pointing out that finally, with 12 weeks to go, people who supported Brexit are finally looking at, and finding out, how it actually effects them (ie pennies are dropping)

And those pennies are going to turn into an absolute avalanche over the next few weeks

Tick tock (Now that IS taking the piss out of people who voted Brexit)

No, it is trying to be ‘oh so much cleverer than everybody else, but looking like a **** who cannot accept a democratic vote.?’

 

[birthofanorange]

No, it is trying to be ‘oh so much cleverer than everybody else, but looking like a **** who cannot accept a democratic vote.?’

I don't think there's anyone who doesn't accept that it happened, and there's nothing wrong at all in accepting that it really doesn't appear to be going very well, and was quite simply a bad idea, as all the promises of amazing benefits were just nonsense.

Thing is, very few Brexiteers can (or will) accept that.

 

[Randy McNob]

The arguments over the vote are history, it's only crowbarred back into the debate by Brexiters because they can't think of a single positive benefit or seem to get a kick out of the country destroying itself

 

[wellquickwoody]

I don't think there's anyone who doesn't accept that it happened, and there's nothing wrong at all in accepting that it really doesn't appear to be going very well, and was quite simply a bad idea, as all the promises of amazing benefits were just nonsense.

Thing is, very few Brexiteers can (or will) accept that.

It was a mahoosive fxxk up, but limbo and ignoring the will of the electorate would have been criminal.

 

[birthofanorange]

It was a mahoosive fxxk up, but limbo and ignoring the will of the electorate would have been criminal.

It was too close to call, to really be a definitive 'will', and truly warranted a further examination, as the spin was exposed. Hey ho, we're stuck with it and the turkeys that voted for Christmas will be affected the same as all of us.
Would be nice if some of them could admit that things are looking pretty bad, but I can't see that happening.

 

[wellquickwoody]

I voted against (obviously) but voted Tory last time out, as I believed that the continuing impasse needed to be ended. I firmly believe the whole thing is a cluster funk.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I voted against (obviously) but voted Tory last time out, as I believed that the continuing impasse needed to be ended. I firmly believe the whole thing is a cluster funk.

Well voting for Johnson's Government has certainly ended the impasse. In much the same way as cutting off your head is a method of dealing with a spot on your nose

 

[Randy McNob]

I voted against (obviously) but voted Tory last time out, as I believed that the continuing impasse needed to be ended. I firmly believe the whole thing is a cluster funk.

It was the Tories that created the impasse, they called a snap election and lost thier majority, still went ahead, agreed a WA and their own party (including Boris Johnson) voted against it

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

It was too close to call, to really be a definitive 'will', and truly warranted a further examination, as the spin was exposed. Hey ho, we're stuck with it and the turkeys that voted for Christmas will be affected the same as all of us.
Would be nice if some of them could admit that things are looking pretty bad, but I can't see that happening.

Why dont you bore off , it's a marathon not a sprint
Pulling together would be a start for a bitter loser like you
Regards
DF

 

[Thunder Bolt]

And? That makes no sense either. People who were in the forces are all ex colleagues?

Come on man, that's a bit desperate

Blimey I must have worked with thousands and thousands of them! Every single one of them lives in Europe don’t you know?
What a silly post.

Not referring to you Dave.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

It was the Tories that created the impasse, they called a snap election and lost thier majority, still went ahead, agreed a WA and their own party (including Boris Johnson) voted against it

When push came to shove the silent majority had their say , it's been emotional I'll raise a glass to the UK out of the EU
Regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Where exactly has the country destroyed itself
Regards
DF

 

[daveinplzen]

Where exactly has the country destroyed itself
Regards
DF

We are still enjoying EU benefits. You dopey ****

 

[Is it PotG?]

We are still enjoying EU benefits. You dopey ****

You use the word 'enjoying'.

Please enlighten me.

 

[nicko31]

Digby Jones lost jobs index launched and not before time

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/brexit-the-digby-jones-jobs-lost-index-is-launched/

Not all bad hey Dig the German car industry will come running soon

 

[Randy McNob]

You use the word 'enjoying'.

Please enlighten me.

Membership of the world’s largest trading bloc with over 500 million consumers, representing 23% of global GDP
The UK has greater global influence as a member of the EU
The EU provides a counterweight to the global power of the US, Russia and China
With Trump in the White House the UK’s strongest natural allies are France, Germany and our other West European neighbours
Tariff-free trade within the EU
The abolition of non-tariff barriers (quotas, subsidies, administrative rules etc.) among members
Participation in free trade agreements with Japan and Canada as an EU member
The EU accounts for 44% of all UK exports of goods and services
The EU accounts for 53% of all UK imports of goods and services
Cheaper food and alcohol imports from continental Europe
As a member of the EU the UK maintains a say in the shaping of the rules governing its trade with its European partners
3.1 million jobs in the UK are directly linked to exports to the EU
Free movement of labour has helped UK firms plug skills gaps (translators, doctors, plumbers)
Free movement of labour has helped address shortages of unskilled workers (fruit picking, catering)
The Single Market has brought the best continental footballers to the Premier League
The EU accounts for 47% of the UK’s stock of inward Foreign Direct Investment (FDI), worth over $1.2 trillion
Access to the EU Single Market has helped attract investment into the UK from outside the EU
No paperwork or customs for UK exports throughout the single market
Price transparency and removal of commissions on currency transactions across the Eurozone
FDI into the UK has effectively doubled since the creation of the EU Single Market
The UK’s net contribution to the EU budget is around €7.3bn, or 0.4% of GDP (less than an eighth of the UK’s defence spending)
No time consuming border checks for travellers (apart from in the UK)
The City of London, as a global financial hub, has acted as a bridge between foreign business and the EU
British banks and insurance companies have been able to operate freely across the EU
Cornwall receives up to £750 million per year from the EU Social Fund (ESF)
Structural funding for areas of the UK hit by industrial decline (South Wales, Yorkshire)
Support for rural areas under the European Agricultural Fund for Regional Development (EAFRD)
EU funding for infrastructure projects in the UK including £122 million for the “Midlands engine” project
Financial support from the EU for over 3,000 small and medium enterprises (SMEs) in the UK
EU funding for the British film industry
EU funding for British theatre, music and dance
EU funding for British sport, including football apprenticeships, tennis and rugby league
Glasgow (1990) and Liverpool (2008) benefitted from being European capitals of culture, stimulating their local economies
EU competition laws protect consumers by combatting monopolistic business practices
Strict controls on the operations of Multinational Corporations (MNCs) in the EU
Human Rights protected under the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights
The death penalty can never be reintroduced as it is incompatible with EU membership
Minority languages such as Welsh and Irish are recognized and protected under EU law
The right to reside in any EU member state
The freedom to work in 28 countries without visa and immigration restrictions
The mutual recognition of professional qualifications has facilitated the free movement of engineers, teachers and doctors across the EU
The mutual recognition of educational diplomas
The Common European Framework of Reference for Languages (CEFR) has standardized assessment of language proficiency across the EU
The freedom to study in 28 countries (many EU universities teach courses in English and charge lower fees than in the UK)
The Erasmus programme of university exchanges (benefitting 16000 UK students a year)
The freedom to set up a business in 28 countries
The ability to retire in any member state
Pension transferability
The right to vote in local and European Parliamentary elections if resident in any member state
EU laws making it easier for British people to buy property on the continent
The right to receive emergency healthcare in any member state (EHIC card)
Consular protection from any EU embassy outside the EU
The EU has played a leading role in combatting global warming (Paris 2015 climate change conference)
Common EU greenhouse gas emissions targets (19% reduction from 1990 to 2015)
Improvements in air quality (significant reductions in sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxides) as a result of EU legislation
Reductions in sewage emissions
Improvements in the quality of beaches and bathing water
EU standards on the quality of drinking water
Restrictions on landfill dumping
EU targets for recycling
Common EU regulations on the transportation and disposal of toxic waste
The implementation of EU policies to reduce noise pollution in urban areas
EU policies have stimulated offshore wind farms
Strict safety standards for cars, buses and trucks
Protection of endangered species and habitats (EU Natura 2000 network)
Strict ban on animal testing in the cosmetics industry
Membership of the European Medicines Agency (EMA) which monitors the quality and safety of medicines (until recently located in London)
13% of EU budget earmarked for scientific research and innovation
The UK receives £730 million a year in EU funding for research
EU funding for UK universities
Cooperation in the peaceful use of nuclear energy as a member of Euratom
Minimum paid annual leave and time off work (Working Time Directive)
Equal pay between men and women enshrined in European law since 1957
The right to work no more than 48 hours a week without paid overtime
Minimum guaranteed maternity leave of 14 weeks for pregnant women
Rights to a minimum 18 weeks of parental leave after child birth
EU anti-discrimination laws governing age, religion and sexual orientation
EU rules governing health and safety at work
The rights to collective bargaining and trade union membership are enshrined in EU employment law
The UK enjoys an opt out from the single currency and maintains full control of its borders as a non-member of the Schengen area
Since 1985 the UK has received a budget rebate equivalent to 66% of its net contribution to the EU budget
EU cross-country coordination offers greater protection from terrorists, pedophiles, people traffickers and cyber-crime
The European common arrest warrant
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection
EU consumer protection laws concerning transparency and product guarantees of quality and safety
Improved food labeling
A ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives
Cheaper air travel due to EU competition laws
Common EU air passenger rights
Deregulation of the European energy market has increased consumer choice and lowered prices
Mutual recognition of the common European driving license
The introduction of the European pet passport
The abolition of mobile telephone roaming charges
The EU acts as a guarantor of the Irish Good Friday Agreement
A frictionless Irish border
The EU acts as a guarantor of the special status of Gibraltar
The EU helped support and maintain democracy in Spain, Portugal and Greece from the 1970s and these countries have become major destinations for British tourists
EU membership has helped facilitate intercultural dialogue

 

[Is it PotG?]

Membership of the world’s largest trading bloc with over 500 million consumers, representing 23% of global GDP
The UK has greater global influence as a member of the EU
The EU provides a counterweight to the global power of the US, Russia and China
With Trump in the White House the UK’s strongest natural allies are France, Germany and our other West European neighbours
Tariff-free trade within the EU
The abolition of non-tariff barriers (quotas, subsidies, administrative rules etc.) among members
Participation in free trade agreements with Japan and Canada as an EU member
The EU accounts for 44% of all UK exports of goods and services
The EU accounts for 53% of all UK imports of goods and services
Cheaper food and alcohol imports from continental Europe
As a member of the EU the UK maintains a say in the shaping of the rules governing its trade with its European partners
3.1 million jobs in the UK are directly linked to exports to the EU
Free movement of labour has helped UK firms plug skills gaps (translators, doctors, plumbers)
Free movement of labour has helped address shortages of unskilled workers (fruit picking, catering)
The Single Market has brought the best continental footballers to the Premier League
The EU accounts for 47% of the UK’s stock of inward Foreign Direct Investment (FDI), worth over $1.2 trillion
Access to the EU Single Market has helped attract investment into the UK from outside the EU
No paperwork or customs for UK exports throughout the single market
Price transparency and removal of commissions on currency transactions across the Eurozone
FDI into the UK has effectively doubled since the creation of the EU Single Market
The UK’s net contribution to the EU budget is around €7.3bn, or 0.4% of GDP (less than an eighth of the UK’s defence spending)
No time consuming border checks for travellers (apart from in the UK)
The City of London, as a global financial hub, has acted as a bridge between foreign business and the EU
British banks and insurance companies have been able to operate freely across the EU
Cornwall receives up to £750 million per year from the EU Social Fund (ESF)
Structural funding for areas of the UK hit by industrial decline (South Wales, Yorkshire)
Support for rural areas under the European Agricultural Fund for Regional Development (EAFRD)
EU funding for infrastructure projects in the UK including £122 million for the “Midlands engine” project
Financial support from the EU for over 3,000 small and medium enterprises (SMEs) in the UK
EU funding for the British film industry
EU funding for British theatre, music and dance
EU funding for British sport, including football apprenticeships, tennis and rugby league
Glasgow (1990) and Liverpool (2008) benefitted from being European capitals of culture, stimulating their local economies
EU competition laws protect consumers by combatting monopolistic business practices
Strict controls on the operations of Multinational Corporations (MNCs) in the EU
Human Rights protected under the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights
The death penalty can never be reintroduced as it is incompatible with EU membership
Minority languages such as Welsh and Irish are recognized and protected under EU law
The right to reside in any EU member state
The freedom to work in 28 countries without visa and immigration restrictions
The mutual recognition of professional qualifications has facilitated the free movement of engineers, teachers and doctors across the EU
The mutual recognition of educational diplomas
The Common European Framework of Reference for Languages (CEFR) has standardized assessment of language proficiency across the EU
The freedom to study in 28 countries (many EU universities teach courses in English and charge lower fees than in the UK)
The Erasmus programme of university exchanges (benefitting 16000 UK students a year)
The freedom to set up a business in 28 countries
The ability to retire in any member state
Pension transferability
The right to vote in local and European Parliamentary elections if resident in any member state
EU laws making it easier for British people to buy property on the continent
The right to receive emergency healthcare in any member state (EHIC card)
Consular protection from any EU embassy outside the EU
The EU has played a leading role in combatting global warming (Paris 2015 climate change conference)
Common EU greenhouse gas emissions targets (19% reduction from 1990 to 2015)
Improvements in air quality (significant reductions in sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxides) as a result of EU legislation
Reductions in sewage emissions
Improvements in the quality of beaches and bathing water
EU standards on the quality of drinking water
Restrictions on landfill dumping
EU targets for recycling
Common EU regulations on the transportation and disposal of toxic waste
The implementation of EU policies to reduce noise pollution in urban areas
EU policies have stimulated offshore wind farms
Strict safety standards for cars, buses and trucks
Protection of endangered species and habitats (EU Natura 2000 network)
Strict ban on animal testing in the cosmetics industry
Membership of the European Medicines Agency (EMA) which monitors the quality and safety of medicines (until recently located in London)
13% of EU budget earmarked for scientific research and innovation
The UK receives £730 million a year in EU funding for research
EU funding for UK universities
Cooperation in the peaceful use of nuclear energy as a member of Euratom
Minimum paid annual leave and time off work (Working Time Directive)
Equal pay between men and women enshrined in European law since 1957
The right to work no more than 48 hours a week without paid overtime
Minimum guaranteed maternity leave of 14 weeks for pregnant women
Rights to a minimum 18 weeks of parental leave after child birth
EU anti-discrimination laws governing age, religion and sexual orientation
EU rules governing health and safety at work
The rights to collective bargaining and trade union membership are enshrined in EU employment law
The UK enjoys an opt out from the single currency and maintains full control of its borders as a non-member of the Schengen area
Since 1985 the UK has received a budget rebate equivalent to 66% of its net contribution to the EU budget
EU cross-country coordination offers greater protection from terrorists, pedophiles, people traffickers and cyber-crime
The European common arrest warrant
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection
EU consumer protection laws concerning transparency and product guarantees of quality and safety
Improved food labeling
A ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives
Cheaper air travel due to EU competition laws
Common EU air passenger rights
Deregulation of the European energy market has increased consumer choice and lowered prices
Mutual recognition of the common European driving license
The introduction of the European pet passport
The abolition of mobile telephone roaming charges
The EU acts as a guarantor of the Irish Good Friday Agreement
A frictionless Irish border
The EU acts as a guarantor of the special status of Gibraltar
The EU helped support and maintain democracy in Spain, Portugal and Greece from the 1970s and these countries have become major destinations for British tourists
EU membership has helped facilitate intercultural dialogue

Now, call me a cynic but you c&p that didn't you?

Had you composed it yourself, I'd have bothered reading it.

 

[daveinplzen]

You use the word 'enjoying'.

Please enlighten me.[/QUOTE

I have to enlighten you? Really?

 

[nicko31]

I voted against (obviously) but voted Tory last time out, as I believed that the continuing impasse needed to be ended. I firmly believe the whole thing is a cluster funk.

Yep Johnson ended the impasse with a border in the Irish Sea, now they don’t like as it f@@ks up the integrity of the UK.

We’re about to learn that post GFA the EU is the glue that holds the UK together

Hard Brexit

Hard lessons

 

[Is it PotG?]

You use the word 'enjoying'.

Please enlighten me.[/QUOTE

I have to enlighten you? Really?

That would be the logical conclusion to my post, yes.