[Politics] Brexit

[vegster]

But they already have frictionless trade. what was the gain? Why would they want leave the customs union?

Blue Passports! Seriously, we both know the drill, they were promised that we could only be better off. Sovereignty, freedom, extra trade deals and jam tommorow.

 

[A1X]

As someone said when actually you write down the impossibility of leaving the EU without having to enforce border controls but stay within the GFA it all unravels.

There is one way it was possible, which was EFTA plus Customs Union. Referendum mandate fulfilled while not ****ing everything up. As it was, the headbangers insisted that wasn't good enough (despite Farage of all people banging on about being Norway for YEARS prior to 2016) which meant it was one or the other.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Caudwell say it as it is.


'May was beaten black and blue by Brussels bully boys'.

Boris standing strong for the UK.

How refreshing to hear it on the BBC, surprised they didn't gag Caudwell.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Brussels-bully-boys.html#v-155028219898907378

 

[WATFORD zero]

Caudwell say it as it is.


'May was beaten black and blue by Brussels bully boys'.

Boris standing strong for the UK.

How refreshing to hear it on the BBC, surprised they didn't gag Caudwell.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Brussels-bully-boys.html#v-155028219898907378

I'll just leave it those two literary Genii, you and Dickens

Charles Dickens 1838 in Nicholas Nickleby.

The time had been, when this burst of enthusiasm would have been cheered to the very echo; but now, the deputation received it with chilling coldness. The general impression seemed to be, that as an explanation of Mr. Gregsbury’s political conduct, it did not enter quite enough into detail; and one gentleman in the rear did not scruple to remark aloud, that, for his purpose, it savoured rather too much of a 'gammon' tendency.

The meaning of that term—gammon,' said Mr. Gregsbury, 'is unknown to me. If it means that I grow a little too fervid, or perhaps even hyperbolical, in extolling my native land, I admit the full justice of the remark. I am proud of this free and happy country. My form dilates, my eye glistens, my breast heaves, my heart swells, my bosom burns, when I call to mind her greatness and her glory.

People who have no understanding of the political situation, using faux patriotism to try to cover that fact ?

I really can't understand why the term is in such widespread use again nearly 200 years later

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I'll just leave it those two literary Genii, you and Dickens



People who have no understanding of the political situation, using faux patriotism to try to cover that fact ?

I really can't understand why the term is in such widespread use again nearly 200 years later

Faux patriotism ? You really are the SNAKE in the grass
Regards
DF

 

[birthofanorange]

Faux patriotism ?
Regards
DF

Yep, it really is, as you and your ilk are only interested in the bits of 'patriotism' that get you hard. Absolutely clueless when it comes to what's actually good for the country and would rather pleasure yourself with faux patriotic orgasms.
You and your mate Bag O'Shite are so full of shit.

And back on ignore you go, silly little racist wannabe Nazi.

 

[Randy McNob]

Caudwell say it as it is.


'May was beaten black and blue by Brussels bully boys'.

Boris standing strong for the UK.

How refreshing to hear it on the BBC, surprised they didn't gag Caudwell.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Brussels-bully-boys.html#v-155028219898907378

He's not getting brexit done which he was elected to do

 

[Grombleton]

Caudwell say it as it is.


'May was beaten black and blue by Brussels bully boys'.

Boris standing strong for the UK.

How refreshing to hear it on the BBC, surprised they didn't gag Caudwell.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Brussels-bully-boys.html#v-155028219898907378

'Billionaire Tory Donor'

Cos there's nothing like someone with a vested interest.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Yep, it really is, as you and your ilk are only interested in the bits of 'patriotism' that get you hard. Absolutely clueless when it comes to what's actually good for the country and would rather pleasure yourself with faux patriotic orgasms.
You and your mate Bag O'Shite are so full of shit.

And back on ignore you go, silly little racist wannabe Nazi.

Are you related to H by any chance
Regards
DF

 

[Randy McNob]

interesting article

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...n-no-deal-eu-trade-labour-corbyn-b454426.html

If labour won the election Brexit would be done by now

 

[pastafarian]

interesting article

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...n-no-deal-eu-trade-labour-corbyn-b454426.html

If labour won the election Brexit would be done by now

No it isnt interesting

Femi is a laughable tw@t

Cretins like you find him interesting because you are braindead and buy into his disingenuous strawman childish arguments.

Tick Tock
Not long now




Is going to be absolute scenes when dafties like you realise The EU will throw the GFA in the bin first and will almost immediately erect border controls to protect their beloved internal market.(unless they have a cunning plan not to)
Considering moaners have being going bonkers about this ever happening how will you defend your wonderful EU?

And before any berk wastes their time, there is NO WTO rule that forces a country to erect border controls. This has been covered before.
The EU will instigate this voluntarily, almost immediately and months or even years before a possible objection at WTO level (to the UKs decision not to erect border controls for goods on the NI ROI border) is heard or comes to a conclusion.

snigger LOL

 

[Randy McNob]

No it isnt interesting

Femi is a laughable tw@t

Cretins like you find him interesting because you are braindead and buy into his disingenuous strawman childish arguments.

Tick Tock
Not long now

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Is going to be absolute scenes when dafties like you realise The EU will throw the GFA in the bin first and will almost immediately erect border controls to protect their beloved internal market.(unless they have a cunning plan not to)
Considering moaners have being going bonkers about this ever happening how will you defend your wonderful EU?

And before any berk wastes their time, there is NO WTO rule that forces a country to erect border controls. This has been covered before.
The EU will instigate this voluntarily, almost immediately and months or even years before a possible objection at WTO level (to the UKs decision not to erect border controls for goods on the NI ROI border) is heard or comes to a conclusion.

snigger LOL

With respect you did miss the point of my post. If labour won we would have left the EU but stayed in the customs Union, negotiating a deal would have been easier and we wouldn't have all the problems we currently face. Some would argie that wouldn't be Brexit but at least it gets it done

People can continue blowing smoke up Boris backside but it doesn detract from the fact he was elected for one thing and one thing only - GET BREXIT DONE - He hasn't ! He lied saying he would get it done simply to win power

 

[beorhthelm]

Is going to be absolute scenes when dafties like you realise The EU will throw the GFA in the bin first and will almost immediately erect border controls to protect their beloved internal market.(unless they have a cunning plan not to)[/QUOTE]

interesting question, what would the EU have to do about Irish border, in event UK decided unilaterally to ignore the WA, go no deal and no border?

 

[WATFORD zero]

No it isnt interesting

Femi is a laughable tw@t

Cretins like you find him interesting because you are braindead and buy into his disingenuous strawman childish arguments.

Tick Tock
Not long now

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Is going to be absolute scenes when dafties like you realise The EU will throw the GFA in the bin first and will almost immediately erect border controls to protect their beloved internal market.(unless they have a cunning plan not to)
Considering moaners have being going bonkers about this ever happening how will you defend your wonderful EU?

And before any berk wastes their time, there is NO WTO rule that forces a country to erect border controls. This has been covered before.
The EU will instigate this voluntarily, almost immediately and months or even years before a possible objection at WTO level (to the UKs decision not to erect border controls for goods on the NI ROI border) is heard or comes to a conclusion.

snigger LOL

Yes, because the rest of the World and your darling USA are definitely going to blame the EU for causing a hard border. So who's first up with one of these wonderful trade deals with that country that can't keep to agreements (specifically designed to avoid a hard border) it signed months earlier and then ignores international law

I see your complete inability to get anywhere close to the point hasn't waned any

 

[vegster]

Is going to be absolute scenes when dafties like you realise The EU will throw the GFA in the bin first and will almost immediately erect border controls to protect their beloved internal market.(unless they have a cunning plan not to)

interesting question, what would the EU have to do about Irish border, in event UK decided unilaterally to ignore the WA, go no deal and no border?[/QUOTE]The EU have pledged their continued support to the GFA and Ireland who remain an EU member. What they will do when Johnson breaks international law will be slow and measured.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Just had the joy listening to Farage.

He was moaning that when we leave the EU we will have less rights to stop people hopping in a boat and “invading”lol

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

No it isnt interesting

Femi is a laughable tw@t

Cretins like you find him interesting because you are braindead and buy into his disingenuous strawman childish arguments.

Tick Tock
Not long now

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Is going to be absolute scenes when dafties like you realise The EU will throw the GFA in the bin first and will almost immediately erect border controls to protect their beloved internal market.(unless they have a cunning plan not to)
Considering moaners have being going bonkers about this ever happening how will you defend your wonderful EU?

And before any berk wastes their time, there is NO WTO rule that forces a country to erect border controls. This has been covered before.
The EU will instigate this voluntarily, almost immediately and months or even years before a possible objection at WTO level (to the UKs decision not to erect border controls for goods on the NI ROI border) is heard or comes to a conclusion.

snigger LOL

You are, as I understand it, right in the sense that there WTO cannot impose a hard border. BUT a third party WTO member can raise an objection and invoke a dispute procedure, the outcome of which could include a ruling that a hard border is required. The situation might be rather more complex than you portray.
Notwithstanding this, I think you are being a little one-eyed on this in that the UK entered into this process knowing that the EU would protect the integrity of its external tariff barrier. Plus it wasn't that long ago that the Brexiteer's were telling us that technology would solve all these problems.(They knew it wouldn't.) That falsehood (another of Johnson's moonshots?) has been shelved, it appears.
Since all this started we have been shown to be a nation that will not honour international agreements. I don't think this helps!

 

[Randy McNob]

Just had the joy listening to Farage.

He was moaning that when we leave the EU we will have less rights to stop people hopping in a boat and “invading”lol

I'm suprised no one pulls him up on his hypocrisy, he's also consistently scathing about the Tories on just about everything yet no one mentions the fact it wasn't long ago when he stepped aside and officially endorsed their election, telling his supporters to vote Tory

 

[WATFORD zero]

interesting question, what would the EU have to do about Irish border, in event UK decided unilaterally to ignore the WA, go no deal and no border?The EU have pledged their continued support to the GFA and Ireland who remain an EU member. What they will do when Johnson breaks international law will be slow and measured.

The EU will put a border in pace to protect their Trading bloc.

But as [MENTION=21401]pastafarian[/MENTION] took great joy in pointing out above, the WTO couldn't force the UK to put a border in place. (Missing the point completely of what the WTO can do ).

What it does do is enforce it's MFN (Most favoured nation) rule, which says whatever we do for one country (or trading bloc), we must do for all, so when the UK insists it will not put in a border, that is a rule not just for the EU, but for the whole world, and across all our borders.

So we then have completely open borders and no checks, controls or tariffs for the whole wide world. That should get the traffic moving nicely into the UK with no border controls whatsoever. Queuing in the yet to be built lorry parks to get back out maybe another matter, as I don't know of any other country you could go to, that would let you in with no borders, controls or tariffs.

Sounds like the perfect plan - Taking back control

 

[nicko31]

A government-backed satellite project to rival the EU’s has been scrapped and labelled nothing more than a “vanity project” by a former Tory defence minister.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/uk-goverment-could-rejoin-eu-s-galileo-system-1-6848108

What about the £900m they've spent on that satelite company Oneweb, a bankrupt US technology company...

#toryincompentence

Where are the Tax Payers Alliance when you need them?

Look like its back to the EU and get real...