[Politics] Brexit

[Is it PotG?]

So if both are right and both are wrong then how can it be claimed there is one unifying version of Leave and that all the 17.4m people who were voting leave wanted that? It strikes me that given there is no single version of Leave and the result was so narrow then there is no version of Leave which commands a majority and as such the result is void and we need a rerun with an actual version of Leave outlined and cost-benefited. Seems reasonable, no?

No.

 

[Grombleton]

So if both are right and both are wrong then how can it be claimed there is one unifying version of Leave and that all the 17.4m people who were voting leave wanted that? It strikes me that given there is no single version of Leave and the result was so narrow then there is no version of Leave which commands a majority and as such the result is void and we need a rerun with an actual version of Leave outlined and cost-benefited. Seems reasonable, no?

Ever get the feeling you're going around in circles?

 

[Is it PotG?]

Ever get the feeling you're going around in circles?

Agree. Been far too much of that procrastination, delaying and scuppering.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

So why does Boris Johnson claim his deal represents what the 17.4m voted for and Nigel Farage claims it is not? Who is right, and why?

Because they both ignore the Act of Parliament which explains how the referendum was set up - and that there were official campaigns with official documentation which was to be used in conjunction with, and explanation of, the summary words on the ballot paper ?

 

[Razzoo]

So if both are right and both are wrong then how can it be claimed there is one unifying version of Leave and that all the 17.4m people who were voting leave wanted that? It strikes me that given there is no single version of Leave and the result was so narrow then there is no version of Leave which commands a majority and as such the result is void and we need a rerun with an actual version of Leave outlined and cost-benefited. Seems reasonable, no?

They didn’t think the electorate would do what they did. That’s the problem. Remain thought it was an open goal tap in. And that is why the shit has hit the fan. A rerun is just the electorate being told to go away think about it and vote the right way next time ok? The EU has previous form for acting like this.

 

[A1X]

Ever get the feeling you're going around in circles?

Yep. Waiting for Brexiters to actually tell us what Brexit they all voted for is is getting increasingly tedious. The urge to take it away from them until they can decide between them is understandably growing hugely.

 

[A1X]

A rerun is just the electorate being told to go away think about it and vote the right way next time ok? The EU has previous form for acting like this.

No, a rerun is now saying to the public "Right, when you said this it turns out this is what you were voting for. Are you absolutely sure this is what you want to do?"

Why don't you believe the public deserve a chance to rethink based on new information? Don't you rust them to return the result you want?

 

[A1X]

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[Is it PotG?]

No, a rerun is now saying to the public "Right, when you said this it turns out this is what you were voting for. Are you absolutely sure this is what you want to do?"

Why don't you believe the public deserve a chance to rethink based on new information? Don't you rust them to return the result you want?

How patronising. Says so much.

 

[A1X]

How patronising. Says so much.

How is it patronising? Given the deal goes against what the Leave campaign promised last time around it's only right and fair to make sure people are happy with that change.

Asking for confirmation of things once they've been done before following through with them happens in every single walk of life. Nobody ever rants about "Reviewing your order" on Amazon as being patronising.

 

[Is it PotG?]

How is it patronising? Given the deal goes against what the Leave campaign promised last time around it's only right and fair to make sure people are happy with that change.

Asking for confirmation of things once they've been done before following through with them happens in every single walk of life. Nobody ever rants about "Reviewing your order" on Amazon as being patronising.

So you're comparing a vote on leaving the EU to buying some light bulbs on Amazon?

If you must know, yes I am happy with my order, possibly even more.

Proceed.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

They didn’t think the electorate would do what they did. That’s the problem. Remain thought it was an open goal tap in. And that is why the shit has hit the fan. A rerun is just the electorate being told to go away think about it and vote the right way next time ok? The EU has previous form for acting like this.

Have they? Please give examples of this, and please don't say Ireland or Greece.

 

[Motogull]

Compromise should have happened straight after the vote, all parties should have been involved.

With the passage of time that becomes ever stronger. It was never going to happen though whomever was PM. The mentality and ego combination being 'I am PM and I will go down in history for delivering brexit' being overwhelming.

Its still happening. The 27 might have more respect for us if a PM were to say, we are now going to have a collaboration attempt and set up a cross party committee to hopefully come to a final approachable proposal. It would probably fail but would show that everything had been explored.

 

[A1X]

So you're comparing a vote on leaving the EU to buying some light bulbs on Amazon?

If you must know, yes I am happy with my order.

Proceed.

It's the same principle. Are you happy with your choice? If people are, like you, then no problem, we leave with the negotiated Withdrawal Agreement. But if people are not they have the right to change their minds.

After all, in 2016 people who voted Leave were promised seamless trade with everyone from Iceland to Russia, now they aren't even being offer seamless trade from Stranraer to Belfast. Leave have moved the goalposts, so Leavers have the right to change their minds. It's how everything else works in life.

 

[ManOfSussex]

How patronising. Says so much.

It says more about you in the first place, because the reoccurring theme with you on the thread is you're unable to put any any coherent, explanatory responses to any question put to you other than post up pictures of ballot papers and use meaningless soundbites.

It's nice you try to join in though. You're a a bit like Ppf, but you've moved onto to be able to do Google image searches, rather than break colouring in pencils.

 

[Is it PotG?]

It's the same principle. Are you happy with your choice? If people are, like you, then no problem, we leave with the negotiated Withdrawal Agreement. But if people are not they have the right to change their minds.

After all, in 2016 people who voted Leave were promised seamless trade with everyone from Iceland to Russia, now they aren't even being offer seamless trade from Stranraer to Belfast. Leave have moved the goalposts, so Leavers have the right to change their minds. It's how everything else works in life.

As mentioned before, more than happy for another ticking of the box exercise.

Accept the Deal

Leave with No Deal

 

[A1X]

As mentioned before, more than happy for another ticking of the box exercise.

Accept the Deal View attachment 116514

Leave with No Deal View attachment 116514

So you don't believe people who want to Remain should be given the opportunity to do so? How undemocratic.

 

[Is it PotG?]

So you don't believe people who want to Remain should be given the opportunity to do so? How undemocratic.

Have we not had that vote?

 

[A1X]

Have we not had that vote?

Do you not believe people should be allowed to change their mind?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

With the passage of time that becomes ever stronger. It was never going to happen though whomever was PM. The mentality and ego combination being 'I am PM and I will go down in history for delivering brexit' being overwhelming.

Its still happening. The 27 might have more respect for us if a PM were to say, we are now going to have a collaboration attempt and set up a cross party committee to hopefully come to a final approachable proposal. It would probably fail but would show that everything had been explored.

Theresa May had a last ditch attempt at this when she realised she was losing her leadership. She agreed to meet Jeremy Corbyn, but word came out, she wouldn't listen to a single word that was said.