[Politics] Brexit

[Pretty pink fairy]

And another clueless, ignorant thicko appears on the scene.
Seriously, are you all really this stupid.

Angry man syndrome
Regards
DF

 

[Baldseagull]

Here we go again. I think you need to take some meds and calm down.

I am far from stupid or a 'clueless ignorant thicko' or 'incapable of any thought'.

The insults that fly in whenever I or any other leave voter dares to post here on this thread just show you up. Would you honestly call me that if you were sitting next to me at the Amex? Didn't think so.

You are capable of thought, but I do not think you have given enough to this subject, on the basis that you appear to have no concerns at all about leaving with Mays deal, Johnsons deal, or No deal. Your contribution to this thread has been consistent when faced with any of the three, "it won't be a disaster, no one will die", you seem to just be wedded to leaving whatever the circumstances.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

You are capable of thought, but I do not think you have given enough to this subject, on the basis that you appear to have no concerns at all about leaving with Mays deal, Johnsons deal, or No deal. Your contribution to this thread has been consistent when faced with any of the three, "it won't be a disaster, no one will die", you seem to just be wedded to leaving whatever the circumstances.

Unlike some remainer MPs who will vote against any deal in their divisive way of trying to thwart Brexit , let's keep it real please
Regards
DF

 

[lawros left foot]

Britain's always been Great,leaving makes us Greater # patriot shameful weasels like yourself obviously don't agree
Regards
DF

The ‘Great’ in Great Britain is a geographical term, so, it’s fairly unlikely that we can become Greater unless we find some hitherto undiscovered land attached to the British Isles.

 

[pastafarian]

The initial paost was blaming brexit delays on remainers and speaker when simple maths says tories + dup = majority.

Now saying Tories + DUP = majority is very different from you initially saying “The Deal would have passed a year ago if the Tory ERG had voted for it”. Which is not correct.

 

[maltaseagull]

You seem absolutely obsessed with telling the world you are not 'thick'.
Whatever is the matter?

I hope you never need any advice on parking tickets
[MENTION=18265]LadySeagull[/MENTION] was replying to raleighchopper's accusations of being thick and incapable of thought.

I think that was out of order.

Raleigh seems to be obsessed, like many other posters on NSC, with calling anyone who dares to disagree with them thick, stupid, ignorant or similar insults.

 

[Baldseagull]

staying in a customs union means not being able to set foreign trade arragements, so from the brexiters point of view, what is the point of brexit? they can argue the toss on immigration and a few other areas, but without being able to set trade agreements there's pretty much no point, that is more important than regulations (which can all be changed in our own law).

From a purely economic view, leaving the customs union is estimated to hit the economy by up to 7%, the benefit of new trade deals after 15 years has been estimated at up to 0.3% from memory.
I would imagine that the EU would have struck new trade deals within that 15 years too, that would likely negate any benefit of trade deals we get independently.
At best Brexit is an ideological pursuit, but for those who make their money with money, deregulation is a prize.

 

[nicko31]

From a purely economic view, leaving the customs union is estimated to hit the economy by up to 7%, the benefit of new trade deals after 15 years has been estimated at up to 0.3% from memory.
I would imagine that the EU would have struck new trade deals within that 15 years too, that would likely negate any benefit of trade deals we get independently.
At best Brexit is an ideological pursuit, but for those who make their money with money, deregulation is a prize.

A question to Brexiters again (2 years+ and still no answer), just give me which new trade deal excites the most and what are you hoping to sell them? I think there's too much negativity from Brexiters on here of late, they need to BELIEVE more...

 

[WATFORD zero]

Strange, you've made numerous posts complaining about leavers use of language and insults ( even when not aimed specifically at you ) yet never pull up a fellow remainer for doing the same - especially Chooper who appears to have a special skill of diplomacy ( well he's special anyway ). Then when a leaver complains of EXACTLY the same type of language and insults you suggest there's something the matter with her.

On second thoughts, strange isn't the correct word, hypocrite is.

You obviously missed your chance(s) to 'pull up a fellow leaver for doing the same' but, as you know, I don't go in for insults so wouldn't call you a hypocrite

Not me, as I have already stated in the Brexit thread, I don't want a 'no Deal' Brexit, but I do want Brexit. I expected the Government could achieve that and not that remainers would still be squealing like pigs nearly 3 years on.

What a shame, the Country might vote the way you don't want them to...that's called democracy, and the minority need to stop squealing like pigs about it.

Had time to read the Withdrawal Agreement Act yet ?

 

[Bakero]

Britain's always been Great,leaving makes us Greater # patriot shameful weasels like yourself obviously don't agree
Regards
DF

I was sure this was a post from the parody account.

 

[WATFORD zero]

A general election will be fine, as long as Corbyn disappears up his own bum...


...and as long as we get out of the EU and you all realise you fell for the fear-mongering and no-one died.

Someone was naive enough to fall for something ?



Okey dokey

 

[WATFORD zero]

I hope you never need any advice on parking tickets

I don't think I will, on account of the fact that I'm capable of using Google for the half dozen or so my family have managed to amass over the years.

(And I'm aware she does a very good job for those less able. Just not for me thanks )

Maybe you should have put this on one of the parking threads, where I believe she is better informed ?

 

[Berty23]

From a purely economic view, leaving the customs union is estimated to hit the economy by up to 7%, the benefit of new trade deals after 15 years has been estimated at up to 0.3% from memory.
I would imagine that the EU would have struck new trade deals within that 15 years too, that would likely negate any benefit of trade deals we get independently.
At best Brexit is an ideological pursuit, but for those who make their money with money, deregulation is a prize.

This is exactly right. We are told it will hinder our trade negotiations but I don’t think anyone is even pretending we will get better deals unless we slash protections are they? How do they know we will be better off anyway? I thought economic impact assessments were a waste of time.

The wording in the WAB makes it clear that we were always a sovereign parliament but now we should be “recognised” as such.

This is about immigration and avoiding EU regulations. The land of unicorns and honey was presented to sell the idea to the masses with different campaigns pushing different buttons e.g. leave EU the anti immigrant, vote leave the business argument and save nhs etc. We have now reached the stage where people are too programmed to admit they were sold a dud and want to plough on. It is close the the sunk cost argument in economics. Just admit it was crap and move on. Don’t keep throwing energy at it.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Absolutely - Being in the EU Customs Union kills any point to Brexit.

We end up with a Turkey or San Marino or Andorra or Monaco deal - and the last 3 of those have specific additional arrangements with other larger EU states.

What are the queues like at the EU / Turkey border ? Clue - think tailback.

No one has ever championed those models, and a Customs Union amendment takes all the upside out of Brexit.

Literally no one has ever said "Ooo Brexit - that means we can be like Turkey".

I think most people would have voted to stay in the EU if we had ended freedom of movement. As that in itself isn't possible, then a version of Brexit where we stay in Customs Union but can control immigration is fine. Heck I might have voted Leave if that was on the table.

I can promise you that 'striking new trade agreements' was not high on the list of reasons the 52% voted for Brexit. It has always been high on the list of those who have been banging on about the EU for the last 30 years, but that is only a small proportion of the 52%.

 

[clapham_gull]

staying in a customs union means not being able to set foreign trade arragements, so from the brexiters point of view, what is the point of brexit? they can argue the toss on immigration and a few other areas, but without being able to set trade agreements there's pretty much no point, that is more important than regulations (which can all be changed in our own law).

You are confusing what Parliament thinks what with I think.

I was waited for an essay on the disadvantages of a CU.





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[Kalimantan Gull]

So, what did these Labour MPs see in Johnson's deal that was so much more attractive than in May's deal? If they were voting for it out of fear of no deal, then amendments may well get through if they go back again.

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I am completely intrigued by Kate Hoey in all this. Ignoring the fact she represents a remain constituency, she is so extreme Brexit that she DIDN'T vote for this deal, despite then voting with the Tories to restrict debate to 3 days. She is the ultimate No Deal MP and she is out ERG-ing all the ERG-ers, its a marvellous thing to behold

 

[clapham_gull]

I am completely intrigued by Kate Hoey in all this. Ignoring the fact she represents a remain constituency, she is so extreme Brexit that she DIDN'T vote for this deal, despite then voting with the Tories to restrict debate to 3 days. She is the ultimate No Deal MP and she is out ERG-ing all the ERG-ers, its a marvellous thing to behold

My ex-MP she is out there on a number of issues. I could never vote for her.

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[nicko31]

And another clueless, ignorant thicko appears on the scene.
Seriously, are you all really this stupid.

These people have been groomed by the right wing media, some for decades. I think we need to exercise sensitivity now and in the years ahead

 

[CHAPPERS]

what is the point of brexit?

Good ****ing question.

 

[nicko31]

I am completely intrigued by Kate Hoey in all this. Ignoring the fact she represents a remain constituency, she is so extreme Brexit that she DIDN'T vote for this deal, despite then voting with the Tories to restrict debate to 3 days. She is the ultimate No Deal MP and she is out ERG-ing all the ERG-ers, its a marvellous thing to behold

She definitely Brexit party material, the ultimate odd ball politician of our time