[Politics] Brexit

[The Clamp]

It would have needed a Parliamentary vote even if it had been binding - the government has no powers just to make laws.

If it had been binding it would have been declared null and void due to the unusually small margin in the result.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

That didn't stop Theresa May planning what she actually wanted nor getting the HoC to agree it. She knew she only had a small majority so wasted time having a general election instead.

Oh I agree - we should have been making plans etc so we were on the front foot when talks with the EU started. Problem being, IMO, May is probably the most incompetent PM of modern times - and that takes some doing given the current incumbant.

 

[Is it PotG?]

If it had been binding it would have been declared null and void due to the unusually small margin in the result.

A margin, as they say, is a margin.

 

[The Clamp]

A margin, as they say, is a margin.

And therein lies the problem with some leavers. They just want everything simple even if that rides roughshod over enshrined democracy.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

If it had been binding it would have been declared null and void due to the unusually small margin in the result.

That somewhat depends upon what the conditions in the act for the referendum would have been. They could have said a change would only happen with a super majority or they could have just used a simple majority - that would have been up to the MPs what was in the act.

 

[Is it PotG?]

And therein lies the problem with some leavers. They just want everything simple even if that rides roughshod over enshrined democracy.

So what's your plan Sherlock, 52% of us leave and 48% remain in the EU?

 

[The Clamp]

So what's your plan Sherlock, 52% of us leave and 48% remain in the EU?

No. How do you propose that would work?
My plan? Ideally revoke A50 and put all this nonsense behind us.
Unlikely to happen.

 

[Silverhatch]

So what's your plan Sherlock, 52% of us leave and 48% remain in the EU?

If there was a mechanism to do that - then a lot of people would take it

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

This deal on the table now, I believe, is palatable for a majority of MPs. Will need to be demonstrated, but it seems that way.

I don't understand what your "none of the above" thing means? You mean we need to consider overturning the result of the ref? I thought you were interested in healing divisions? Sore losers are one thing, sore winners denied would be quite something else.

What will find 50%+ acceptance? The ref we held resulted in a 50%+ result. For leaving.

The argument will be over and done with when we have left. Sure there will still be things to sort out, but knowing how that will go isn't really possible while people are still playing the "should we, shouldn't we leave" game. That discussion is over, it was over as soon as the votes were cast and counted. Once we are out in practice there will no longer be a political incentive to try to make future negotiations difficult in order to facilitate the overturning of the result. Future negotiations will become current negotiations and that is when we will find out what is what, and when pragmatism and mutual interest will finally win the day, as it always should have.

This deal which is on the table now might be palatable to the majority of MPs, but won't be acceptable to the EU. And it is a proposal, not a deal. It is not acceptable to the ROI, and as they will remain as a member of the EU, the EU will support them...... unsurprisingly. This will enable Mr Johnson and his shower to pontificate totally unreasonably about the bully boys of Europe and start pushing for a no deal again.

Plus Cela change, plus c'est la meme chose.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

If it had been binding it would have been declared null and void due to the unusually small margin in the result.

The courts have also ruled that the levels of interference and proven illegalities around the vote, would have seen it declared void.

 

[nicko31]

Now that the dust seems to have settled on the Tories ridiculous attempt at a deal maybe they need to reflect is bit on their English exceptionalism.

Boris would do well to watch the 1996 film "Michael Collins" to fill in his poor knowledge of the troubles In Ireland...

 

[WATFORD zero]

how's that Norway style Brexit going that you were so confident about , also have you given up banging on about tariffs as well ?
Regards
DF

Why do you think an ardent remainer would ever entertain the idea of Brexit, Norway style or any other ? Moron

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Johnson's latest effort is a proposal, not a deal.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Boris's older brother Joe, sums it up

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[nicko31]

Boris's older brother Joe, sums it up

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Yeap they used the EU as scapegoat for their failings in 2016 and now they are going to try to do it again, blaming them for their failure to deliver their lies and fantasy

 

[Is it PotG?]

Yeap they used the EU as scapegoat for their failings in 2016 and now they are going to try to do it again, blaming them for their failure to deliver their lies and fantasy

Can you clarify why it is fantasy and impossible to survive as a nation outside of the EU?

Are we so reliant upon them, and so embedded into their system?

 

[beorhthelm]

Yeap they used the EU as scapegoat for their failings in 2016 and now they are going to try to do it again, blaming them for their failure to deliver their lies and fantasy

? "they"... the government was mainly on the remain side. or are you saying the electorate blamed EU for their personal failure? silly voters.

 

[WATFORD zero]

This deal which is on the table now might be palatable to the majority of MPs, but won't be acceptable to the EU. And it is a proposal, not a deal. It is not acceptable to the ROI, and as they will remain as a member of the EU, the EU will support them...... unsurprisingly. This will enable Mr Johnson and his shower to pontificate totally unreasonably about the bully boys of Europe and start pushing for a no deal again.

Plus Cela change, plus c'est la meme chose.

If it's a simple case of finding a proposal that will get through the HOC, I have a better proposal than Johnson's. I propose we keep all the benefits of being in the EU, have no border controls, stop paying any contribution and stop adhering to EU rules and regulations.

I can guarantee that will fly through the HOC, can't see any issues with that, whatsoever

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Can you clarify why it is fantasy and impossible to survive as a nation outside of the EU?

Are we so reliant upon them, and so embedded into their system?

Trade deals, not only with the EU, but with the rest of the world through them.
Every country in the world is in a trading bloc.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Trade deals, not only with the EU, but with the rest of the world through them.
Every country in the world is in a trading bloc.

So, if we leave, we won't be able to trade with anyone as we're not in a trading bloc?