[Politics] Brexit

[Lever]

Okay so I am not the best at spelling and you're a sneaky sly stalker.

I can accept that, now off you trot to stalk someone else.

Tick tock, tick tock.......

You have no sensible contribution to make in the Brexit debate then Mouldy? Disappointing, but predictable. I am sorry that you focus on me in this thread to vent your anger and frustration over something or other....

You seem to be experiencing a sense of humour shortfall I see - and you still have that nervous 'tic'.

Get well soon!

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Our leavers seem genuinely excited by the chance of a 'no deal' Brexit. A pretty strange position to take really. I am finding them more odd by the day.

I voted to leave and if the EU won't give us a decent deal then a No deal it is.

Starmer and his mates need to back off and stop whipping up a frenzy, people will get hurt and killed over this if they continue to try and stop the what the people voted for, it really will get very ugly.

Leave was the vote, so the government are doing their best to get a deal, but they are being hampered by the backpack brigade with stupid placards.

LET IT GO NOW.

Even the Archbishop wants OUT.

 

[daveinplzen]

Its your glee about pushing the country into no-deal that is interesting. I dont give a shit about what an official from the Fairy Story Company (UK Branch) says tbh.
If not for rabid Brexiteers in parliament, there would have been a deal. Stop blaming everybody else for your emotional decision.

 

[pastafarian]

If EU law has supremacy whilst we're in the EU, why are we still spending pounds and pence, why are we still driving on the left?

You don’t believe EU made law that is applicable to the UK whilst we are in the EU, has supremacy (even though the EU courts, The UK court and the European Communities Act says it does) because we don’t have to drive on the right and the EU has not yet made a law that makes the UK stop spending pounds and pence.

The backstop was put there by the Tory party to get around the problem in Ireland. .

it was Theresa May's idea. The other alternative was to have the border in the Irish Sea but the DUP voted against it.
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The concept of a backstop was introduced by the EU in 2017 post referendum, Not introduced by Theresa May as her idea.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/1019/1005373-backstop-tony-connelly/

https://www.ft.com/content/9e11bdcc-c585-11e7-b2bb-322b2cb39656

The initial version proposed by the EU was for a Northern Ireland specific backstop that would place a customs border between Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Theresa May rightly refused to accept this saying “no UK prime minister could ever agree to it”. The EU conceded and we now have a backstop proposal version with a UK-wide single customs territory instead.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/northern-ireland-backstop

We could still leave the EU but be in the single market which would solve the problem.

How does being in the single market and outside of the customs union solve it. That would still leave the question of the EU wanting to protect their common external tariff with customs border posts. Are you now suggesting technological solutions over aspects like rules of origin and a comprehensive trade agreement have been the way forward all along?

 

[birthofanorange]

I voted to leave and if the EU won't give us a decent deal then a No deal it is.

Starmer and his mates need to back off and stop whipping up a frenzy, people will get hurt and killed over this if they continue to try and stop the what the people voted for, it really will get very ugly.

Leave was the vote, so the government are doing their best to get a deal, but they are being hampered by the backpack brigade with stupid placards.

LET IT GO NOW.

Even the Archbishop wants OUT.

Gosh! "People will get hurt and killed.....it really will get very ugly."

If I didn't know better, I would see that as quite menacing, but I'll put it down to another idiot with an attitude problem spouting off.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Let it go......

 

[Lever]

I voted to leave and if the EU won't give us a decent deal then a No deal it is.

Starmer and his mates need to back off and stop whipping up a frenzy, people will get hurt and killed over this if they continue to try and stop the what the people voted for, it really will get very ugly.

Leave was the vote, so the government are doing their best to get a deal, but they are being hampered by the backpack brigade with stupid placards.

LET IT GO NOW.

Even the Archbishop wants OUT.

Whatever happens, this country will need to come together Mouldy. Maybe you should restrain your triumphalism as it doesn't help.

 

[birthofanorange]

Let it go......

How does "Never" float your boat?

 

[Lever]

Gosh! "People will get hurt and killed.....it really will get very ugly."

If I didn't know better, I would see that as quite menacing, but I'll put it down to another idiot with an attitude problem spouting off.

There is certainly an implied threat there.

 

[birthofanorange]

There is certainly an implied threat there.

Yes, there is. What a numpty, eh?

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Its your glee about pushing the country into no-deal that is interesting. I dont give a shit about what an official from the Fairy Story Company (UK Branch) says tbh.
If not for rabid Brexiteers in parliament, there would have been a deal. Stop blaming everybody else for your emotional decision.

It was a shite deal when someone offers you 10k for your car and it's worth 20k do you take it?

Gosh! "People will get hurt and killed.....it really will get very ugly."

If I didn't know better, I would see that as quite menacing, but I'll put it down to another idiot with an attitude problem spouting off.

Seriously what do you feel will happen if we don't get Brexit delivered on 31st October?

True democracy will have gone Leavers have not had to fight back with demos to this point, but come November if we are not OUT, It will get messy it can not be avoided, enough is enough, this is not me saying it, it will be a fact, fever point will have been met.

Just accept the result and you will get over it by Christmas.

 

[pastafarian]

That said, it was the identity of the pro-Brexit that put me on my guard. Personally I find it baffling that anyone could trust the likes of Farrage, Gove, the owner of Weatherspoons, Mogg, and last minute Boris (the liar) who were promising the earth, in preference to the worthy dullards saying 'we can estimate that some bad things will happen, but few good, so what's the point?'.....I could only go with the former rabble after an unexpected rush of blood to the head. It really would have been a 'yes, I am going to buy a lottery ticket because if I win I will be rich' moment. But....with the king of gammon, frog faced Farrage, leading the chorus, there is no way I could engage with Leave. Seriously - WTAF?

Its baffling you had your vote swayed on a referendum issue because of identity and the face on the cover. It wasn’t a bloody Britain’s Got Talent or X Factor vote for christ's sake. Pathetic you treated it as such.

 

[birthofanorange]

It was a shite deal when someone offers you 10k for your car and it's worth 20k do you take it?



Seriously what do you feel will happen if we don't get Brexit delivered on 31st October?

True democracy will have gone Leavers have not had to fight back with demos to this point, but come November if we are not OUT, It will get messy it can not be avoided, enough is enough, this is not me saying it, it will be a fact, fever point will have been met.

Just accept the result and you will get over it by Christmas.

As I said above, a numpty with an attitude problem.

Idiots like you don't scare me in the slightest, so go back to trying to bully those weaker than you.


And as for what will happen? The same that happened the last times it wasn't enacted. Zilch.

Moron.

 

[daveinplzen]

It was a shite deal when someone offers you 10k for your car and it's worth 20k do you take it?

... and again, its the glee leavers are showing at the prospect of no-deal lurch into the unknown that I find odd.

 

[Lever]

... and again, its the glee leavers are showing at the prospect of no-deal lurch into the unknown that I find odd.

... and divisive - because we are all manacled to them.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I do apologise. You didn't say we should 'take out the backstop'.

Correct, apology accepted.

 

[Driver8]

It was a shite deal when someone offers you 10k for your car and it's worth 20k do you take it?

You don’t deliberately drive it into a wall instead.

 

[Hampster Gull]

You don’t deliberately drive it into a wall instead.

Unless you plan to bullshit on why it crashed to pull the wool over people eyes, scam the other co-owners and pocket the insurance money yourself

 

[birthofanorange]

You don’t deliberately drive it into a wall instead.

Sadly, some would, but they are 'not quite right'.

 

[pocketseagull]

Its your glee about pushing the country into no-deal that is interesting.

This is a pretty good comment on the subject:

The point, in some ways, is the chaos. Look at that sliding currency. It's exciting, isn't it? Thrilling. Chaos is animating, and addictive, and suffering is an adventure. It is no accident that the apostles of Brexit so frequently invoke the language of invasion and (race) war. The references to World War II, Dunkirk, the Blitz spirit, donning one's khaki and heading to the frontlines, martial sacrifice, and so on, all show how powerful the yearning is for violent excitement.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/29506454