[Politics] Brexit

[theonlymikey]

As they have seen a leaver government now willing to actually leave without a deal, there have been comments from various EU parties that they are open to discussions.

Now, when us leavers said this would be that case if we threatened No Deal, we were ridiculed. But again, the reaminers have proven to be so out of touch with reality. All the time the EU think the parliament will block a No Deal Brexit, they have no incentive to negotiate. Now they have seen a different government, they are starting to slowly adjust,

It's a good outlook on it. But also very wrong.

The EU are open to alternatives to the backstop.

Boris was given 30 days to find one (The mail reported this as a "victory ". However, an EU spokesman on Friday said despite being open to alternatives, they had no contact from the UK about a single alternative proposal in the 9 days following this.

Naive is the word of the day.

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[theonlymikey]

As they have seen a leaver government now willing to actually leave without a deal, there have been comments from various EU parties that they are open to discussions.

Now, when us leavers said this would be that case if we threatened No Deal, we were ridiculed. But again, the reaminers have proven to be so out of touch with reality. All the time the EU think the parliament will block a No Deal Brexit, they have no incentive to negotiate. Now they have seen a different government, they are starting to slowly adjust,

I won't ridicule you for the government lying to the public.

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[Thunder Bolt]

Unfortunately that horse has bolted for me ..but hopefully I will get a decent pay off when what is left of my company transfers to mainland Europe.

Personally I really do hope that we can get a deal out of this mess. Who knows though.

My other half is in a similar situation where their main customers are in the EU. I think the company could fold rather than transfer.
I hope it gets sorted out for you.

 

[beorhthelm]

No, it was Theresa May's idea. The other alternative was to have the border in the Irish Sea but the DUP voted against it.
We could still leave the EU but be in the single market which would solve the problem.

customs union. the single market is defacto the EU. besides this minor, tired, point, the original idea isnt the issue as it relates to the transition period. the problem is the EU imposition that they unilaterally decide if any solution is suitable.

 

[larus]

It's a good outlook on it. But also very wrong.

The EU are open to alternatives to the backstop.

Boris was given 30 days to find one (The mail reported this as a "victory ". However, an EU spokesman on Friday said despite being open to alternatives, they had no contact from the UK about a single alternative proposal in the 9 days following this.

Naive is the word of the day.

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I won't ridicule you for the government lying to the public.

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Oh dear. Another self-righteous remainer who thinks they are oh, so smart.

Look, I’ll break it slowly to you.
The remain side lied about everything.
They lied about a £30bln emergency budget.
They lied about 500,000 increase in unemployment
They lied about an immediate recession.
They lies about interest rate rises.
They lied about the future of the EU - it plans on being a superstate, with tax raising powers and it’s own army.
They lied about the on-going loss of sovereignty to national parliaments.

So, if you are so sure of your arguments, and so sure this is what the public ant, then why don’t remainers spell it out clearly to the people.

I never hear any reaminers saying why we should stay - only the fear of leaving.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

It's not the only deal that we can have. If this was true, Norway and Switzerlands agreements with the EU simply would not exist.

Let that sink in.

We had the option to make this easy for ourselves, but three years of pandering to ultra brexiters has produced a deal the worst of both worlds.

A customs union as a result of cross party collaboration would have got a majority. No tribalism, no red lines, common sense thrown in and we would have left 5 months ago.

less than a third of the country want no deal. Less than a third of the country think proroguement is acceptable.

So let's put it back to the people .

You will either get your how or we remain. But at least nobody could argue against the result in a preference referendum.

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One quote from an official EU source that says we can renegotiate/open the WA please. Just one.

Three years of a Remain MP dominated government trying to please all sides in a Remain MP dominated HoC that repeatedly failed to come to an agreed position.

The Customs union option was rejected by the HoC.

If you want to quote polls "Boris needs to deliver Brexit by any means, including suspending parliament if necessary, in order to prevent MPs stopping it" 44% agree 37% disagree.

See undemocratic loon - keep asking the question until you get the answer you want.

Oh I'm sure the usual suspects would be back whining on about how the latest referendum was unfair if leave won... again.

 

[Notters]

Not very many people are there Notters. Even the London pic shows a crowd of only several thousand or so people down half of Whitehall. Looking forward to seeing some wide angle shots rather than the selective views of the twitterati.

Eh? Can't speak for anywhere else but the Leeds one was packed. Far more than they were expecting - they'd fenced off an area for it and it spilled over into the adjacent roads and a fairground that's there for the summer.

My photos aren't great to be honest, I couldn't get high enough.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

You are far too entertaining for me to do that at the moment.

You don't have a partner, do you?
Well, I will take that back you have your other NSC alter ego.
Perhaps you need to go and get Intimate with him, as you were born to self pleasure.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Given that the EU would much prefer a softer Brexit, of course they would re-open discussions towards a new deal that incorporated it.

It's not about what they would have preferred it's about the current reality. They have spent three years negotiating a deal they want and have repeatedly stated it can't be reopened.

 

[Grombleton]

Oh dear. Another self-righteous remainer who thinks they are oh, so smart.

Look, I’ll break it slowly to you.
The remain side lied about everything.
They lied about a £30bln emergency budget.
They lied about 500,000 increase in unemployment
They lied about an immediate recession.
They lies about interest rate rises.
They lied about the future of the EU - it plans on being a superstate, with tax raising powers and it’s own army.
They lied about the on-going loss of sovereignty to national parliaments.

So, if you are so sure of your arguments, and so sure this is what the public ant, then why don’t remainers spell it out clearly to the people.

I never hear any reaminers saying why we should stay - only the fear of leaving.

I think we have a full house on Leaver bingo here.

 

[Bodian]

It's not about what they would have preferred it's about the current reality. They have spent three years negotiating a deal they want and have repeatedly stated it can't be reopened.

They don't 'want' the deal that has been negotiated. It was the only deal possible in the circumstances of May's red lines not something they 'wanted'. The EU have proposed various other things like Norway/EFTA - it's the UK that have turned these other options down. If we turned round now and said 'on second thoughts, we'll have one of those softer options', the EU would bite our hands off.

 

[larus]

I think we have a full house on Leaver bingo here.

Typical loser reply. Can’t answer the questions - to ‘try’ to play the man.

No doubt we’ll get the usual “racist, xenophobic, thick” replies soon too.

Guess you’ll be bleating about how undemocratic Johnson is to call for a new Queens speech.

I’ve noticed how more extreme the remainers are now - like that **** Pullman saying that Johnson should be lynched. Wow, imagine a Brexiteer saying that - the outrage would be palpable on here.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

They don't 'want' the deal that has been negotiated. It was the only deal possible in the circumstances of May's red lines not something they 'wanted'. The EU have proposed various other things like Norway/EFTA - it's the UK that have turned these other options down. If we turned round now and said 'on second thoughts, we'll have one of those softer options', the EU would bite our hands off.

Still waiting for any official quote where the Eu has said they will renegotiate even to a softer option at this stage. Btw the reason they would possibly bite our handoff is exactly the reason why we wouldn't want that deal.

 

[larus]

They don't 'want' the deal that has been negotiated. It was the only deal possible in the circumstances of May's red lines not something they 'wanted'. The EU have proposed various other things like Norway/EFTA - it's the UK that have turned these other options down. If we turned round now and said 'on second thoughts, we'll have one of those softer options', the EU would bite our hands off.

I don’t want a No Deal, but i would go for a No Deal over the WA or any other legally binding treaty. Whatever we enter into we need to be able to leave if we want.

The only things which must be stuck to are:
End of free movement.
End of ECJ oversight.
End of rules/regulation being flowed down from Brussels (I understand that any company supply products to the EU must make their products comply with their regulations, but that is completely different).

i would like a FTA. Simple as - and that is what I voted for.

The WA is a remainer cooked up treaty. (TM, Hammond, Robins, etc.). If only remainers would acknowledge the fact that it does not respect the referendum, it would be easier to have a sensible debate (oh, and if remainers would answer questions when others have answered theirs ).

 

[theonlymikey]

I think we have a full house on Leaver bingo here.

Citing reasons for not wanting to leave are the reasons to remain.

It's like me saying if I left my wife and children I'd become unhappy. Then my mates saying, nah you're just scared of leaving her. Well durr, because I'm happy and don't want that to change...





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[Juan Albion]

The WA is a remainer cooked up treaty. (TM, Hammond, Robins, etc.). If only remainers would acknowledge the fact that it does not respect the referendum, it would be easier to have a sensible debate (oh, and if remainers would answer questions when others have answered theirs ).

Damn, someone told me Leave means Leave. Are you saying that isn't the case?

 

[theonlymikey]

Still waiting for any official quote where the Eu has said they will renegotiate even to a softer option at this stage. Btw the reason they would possibly bite our handoff is exactly the reason why we wouldn't want that deal.

Just for you JC, I wasted 3 seconds of my life googling and copying and pasting. Just. for. you.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...byn/news/101702/donald-tusk-tells-theresa-may

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[theonlymikey]

I don’t want a No Deal, but i would go for a No Deal over the WA or any other legally binding treaty. Whatever we enter into we need to be able to leave if we want.

The only things which must be stuck to are:
End of free movement.
End of ECJ oversight.
End of rules/regulation being flowed down from Brussels (I understand that any company supply products to the EU must make their products comply with their regulations, but that is completely different).

i would like a FTA. Simple as - and that is what I voted for.

The WA is a remainer cooked up treaty. (TM, Hammond, Robins, etc.). If only remainers would acknowledge the fact that it does not respect the referendum, it would be easier to have a sensible debate (oh, and if remainers would answer questions when others have answered theirs ).

Whats so bad about the ECJ?

Did those mean EU give us too many workers rights.

Did the mean EU give you too many human rights? We've been too spoilt. OUT. NEXT.

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[Grombleton]

Typical loser reply. Can’t answer the questions - to ‘try’ to play the man.

No doubt we’ll get the usual “racist, xenophobic, thick” replies soon too.

Guess you’ll be bleating about how undemocratic Johnson is to call for a new Queens speech.

I’ve noticed how more extreme the remainers are now - like that **** Pullman saying that Johnson should be lynched. Wow, imagine a Brexiteer saying that - the outrage would be palpable on here.

After reading some of your comments on here tonight, I can sleep soundly knowing i'm not the loser. I haven't been asked any questions, so none to answer. You seem upset though.

If you're looking for extreme, then i suggest you read some of the things your cohorts on this thread have said...some of them have even managed complete sentences.

 

[larus]

Whats so bad about the ECJ?

Did those mean EU give us too many workers rights.

Did the mean EU give you too many human rights? We've been too spoilt. OUT. NEXT.

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Oh, you mean the ECJ that stopped us deporting Abdul Hamza? That ECJ.