[Politics] Brexit

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...exits-8m-diamond-geezer-arron-banks-t9dfgklhz

The National Crime Agency (NCA) is examining claims that Arron Banks, the businessman who helped fund Brexit, smuggled diamonds out of South Africa.

The NCA has been passed allegations made by Banks’s former business partner that Banks attempted to source black-market gems from Zimbabwe and pretend they had come from his mines in South Africa.

The evidence, collected by South Africa’s organised crime unit, includes a claim that Banks was “dealing with Russians” and trying “to marry . . . illegally gotten diamonds” from other African nations with output from his own struggling mines.

Diamond sales in Zimbabwe are strictly controlled because of corruption and human rights abuses. Russia also exerts a significant influence over the country’s illegal diamond industry, according to western intelligence and diplomatic sources.

The revelations raise new questions about the role of Moscow money in influencing the Brexit referendum and are a fresh blow to Banks, who is at the centre of an investigation by the NCA into the £8m that he gave the Leave.EU campaign in 2016.

 

[Swansman]

Question: Do you have the same development as in Sweden regarding who wants/doesnt want EU?

In Sweden the leftist voters voted against EU membership in the 90s, and for 10-15 years the left hated EU while the right embraced it. Sometime around 2008-2009, our primary anti-immigration party Sverigedemokraterna said "we hate EU", and about two days later all the leftist people swapped sides and became extremely pro-EU.

Is it the same in the UK or has it always been the right doesnt like it and the left loves it?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Question: Do you have the same development as in Sweden regarding who wants/doesnt want EU?

In Sweden the leftist voters voted against EU membership in the 90s, and for 10-15 years the left hated EU while the right embraced it. Sometime around 2008-2009, our primary anti-immigration party Sverigedemokraterna said "we hate EU", and about two days later all the leftist people swapped sides and became extremely pro-EU.

Is it the same in the UK or has it always been the right doesnt like it and the left loves it?

The leaders of the left hate the EU as well, whereas previously the centre right and centre left were all for it. Now the more left leaning and hard right leaning are driving Brexit.

 

[beorhthelm]

Question: Do you have the same development as in Sweden regarding who wants/doesnt want EU?

In Sweden the leftist voters voted against EU membership in the 90s, and for 10-15 years the left hated EU while the right embraced it. Sometime around 2008-2009, our primary anti-immigration party Sverigedemokraterna said "we hate EU", and about two days later all the leftist people swapped sides and became extremely pro-EU.

Is it the same in the UK or has it always been the right doesnt like it and the left loves it?

more nuanced that simple left/right. the socialist-left and nationalist-right are anti-EU while the business-right, centre left and right are in favour. so it sounds pretty similar.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Question: Do you have the same development as in Sweden regarding who wants/doesnt want EU?

In Sweden the leftist voters voted against EU membership in the 90s, and for 10-15 years the left hated EU while the right embraced it. Sometime around 2008-2009, our primary anti-immigration party Sverigedemokraterna said "we hate EU", and about two days later all the leftist people swapped sides and became extremely pro-EU.

Is it the same in the UK or has it always been the right doesnt like it and the left loves it?

We have Gammons and Broflakes in The UK. Do you have them Sweden as well?

 

[LadySeagull]

Yet again [MENTION=18265]LadySeagull[/MENTION] gets asked to explain the bollocks they post. Yet again [MENTION=18265]LadySeagull[/MENTION] goes missing. Make of that what you will.

...maybe that I have better things to do in life than keep a NSC tab open all day and night in case a bad loser whinges or throws insults again?

 

[LadySeagull]

Well if you agree with JCFG about his supposed Franco-German alliance maybe you could give us an example of where you believe those two EU members have overridden the other 25?

(And it really isn't a matter of opinion, where this has happened, it's a matter of Fact. It's just that you and JCFG can't come up with any Facts to support your irrational opinions )

*edit* Oh, you seem to have logged off again rather than attempt an answer

Does seem to be a bit of a trend
https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showthread.php?343854-The-Brexit-Thread&p=9029018&viewfull=1#post9029018

Or maybe, like so many of your associates, meaningless one liners are your limit

*edit* Oh, you seem to have logged off again rather than attempt an answer

Sad life, to criticise someone for not being logged on here permanently - checking to see, more than once, seems more like stalking.

But then, I am a dunce according to you and Herr Tubthumper so not sure why you are bothered.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

...maybe that I have better things to do in life than keep a NSC tab open all day and night in case a bad loser whinges or throws insults again?

It's inbelievable how the remoaners spend so much of wasting the day crying, do they work?

If the do surely the can't be doing a good job with such a permanent negative attitude.

God help the uk.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Question: Do you have the same development as in Sweden regarding who wants/doesnt want EU?

In Sweden the leftist voters voted against EU membership in the 90s, and for 10-15 years the left hated EU while the right embraced it. Sometime around 2008-2009, our primary anti-immigration party Sverigedemokraterna said "we hate EU", and about two days later all the leftist people swapped sides and became extremely pro-EU.

Is it the same in the UK or has it always been the right doesnt like it and the left loves it?

A Conservative govt took us in in 1973. At the time the Labour party was split and probably at grass roots was anti.. When we had the referendum in 1975, the 'remains' tended to be the middle ground; the 'leavers' were an unholy alliance of the outriders from the left and the right. This has to some extent stayed the same across the years, although now the majority of the right are leavers and the majority of the centre left and left are remainers. I'm not sure when this realignment occurred; it's difficult to pin it down. But in the Thatcher years (79-91) the anti EU grouping in the right-wing of the Conservatives gathered momentum. Meanwhile the mainstream left became more pro-European.

Of course books have been written to analyse all this. It's culminated in the madness we are now living through with an irony being that one the main influencers from back in the day was our current PM who, as a journo, specialised in concocting stories about excessive EU bureaucracy (mostly outright lies) which fed the growing the anti-EU impulses of the Brits. Another irony is that it was under the Thatcher govt that the UK not only signed up to but actively supported two of the policies that wind-up the Brexiteers: the enlargement of the EU and the Single Market.


To some extent it's more useful to analyse the issue not through party allegiance but through other markers such as qualifications, age and location. So for example the traditional northern heartlands of the left are very anti-EU; metropolitan areas (especially London and, wait for it, Brighton) are very pro EU.

 

[sydney]

A Conservative govt took us in in 1973. At the time the Labour party was split and probably at grass roots was anti.. When we had the referendum in 1975, the 'remains' tended to be the middle ground; the 'leavers' were an unholy alliance of the outriders from the left and the right. This has to some extent stayed the same across the years, although now the majority of the right are leavers and the majority of the centre left and left are remainers. I'm not sure when this realignment occurred; it's difficult to pin it down. But in the Thatcher years (79-91) the anti EU grouping in the right-wing of the Conservatives gathered momentum. Meanwhile the mainstream left became more pro-European.

Of course books have been written to analyse all this. It's culminated in the madness we are now living through with an irony being that one the main influencers from back in the day was our current PM who, as a journo, specialised in concocting stories about excessive EU bureaucracy (mostly outright lies) which fed the growing the anti-EU impulses of the Brits. Another irony is that it was under the Thatcher govt that the UK not only signed up to but actively supported two of the policies that wind-up the Brexiteers: the enlargement of the EU and the Single Market.


To some extent it's more useful to analyse the issue not through party allegiance but through other markers such as qualifications, age and location. So for example the traditional northern heartlands of the left are very anti-EU; metropolitan areas (especially London and, wait for it, Brighton) are very pro EU.

London , who's manufacturing industries have been largely shut down and their white , working class , condensed into the shittiest parts of the city whilst the suburbs have been gentrified and sold off to hoorah henrys and rich migrants and Arabs.... and Brighton that never really had any industry anyway .....so we/they have lost nothing.....New buses,trains , ferries , aircraft and cars all made on the continent ...huge percentage of food is imported and millions of tonnes of food is discarded because it doesn't meet EU standards.....size , shape ,colour, weight etc.....this is what has got the older voters voting leave ......as misguided as it may be.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

...maybe that I have better things to do in life than keep a NSC tab open all day and night in case a bad loser whinges or throws insults again?

A predictable response, you said exactly the same the last time you were called out and then went missing. At least you’re consistent.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

But then, I am a dunce according to you and Herr Tubthumper

All I have done is ask you to explain numerous posts you make. And as sure as night follows day you disappear, then pop up a day later claiming you have better things to do. Instead of spending time telling us you had better things to do....why don’t you explain yourself?

 

[A1X]

Question: Do you have the same development as in Sweden regarding who wants/doesnt want EU?

In Sweden the leftist voters voted against EU membership in the 90s, and for 10-15 years the left hated EU while the right embraced it. Sometime around 2008-2009, our primary anti-immigration party Sverigedemokraterna said "we hate EU", and about two days later all the leftist people swapped sides and became extremely pro-EU.

Is it the same in the UK or has it always been the right doesnt like it and the left loves it?

There's the classic portrayal of the political spectrum as a horse-shoe, whereby the far left and far-right reach round to have more in common with each other than the centre-ground. Essentially that is perfect if you imagine a line across it horizontally for the traditional attitudes to the EU, the centre and out to centre-right and centre-left were pro, the extremes were anti.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

But you do make this shit up all the time. One example of France and Germany overruling the other 25 nations as you have claimed?

Or, maybe an example of this 'good deal' that will benefit Britain whilst protecting the EU's single market?

You just make up this shit constantly and then, when asked to give details or facts, to support your completely irrational assumptions, you run away

Nobody has said that France and Germany 'overule' everyone else - it's your vivid imagination that has read that. Just for once, try reading what was actually posted. France and Germany hold the major influences in the union - go onto iPlayer and watch the three part series about the EU - the episode about Greece will highlight to even someone as blinkered as you the power those two countries have within the EU.

 

[A1X]

Large nations always wield the most power in international organisations. The UN is dominated by the US, for example. It stands to reason.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Nobody has said that France and Germany 'overule' everyone else - it's your vivid imagination that has read that. Just for once, try reading what was actually posted. France and Germany hold the major influences in the union - go onto iPlayer and watch the three part series about the EU - the episode about Greece will highlight to even someone as blinkered as you the power those two countries have within the EU.

So why do Greek people I know, say they can't understand why we want to leave?

 

[LadySeagull]

why don’t you explain yourself?

...like I have done something wrong? Why do I need to explain myself and my opinion?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

So why do Greek people I know, say they can't understand why we want to leave?

How does the subject of Brexit even come up in the first place. I was in Italy for 9 days, met lots of people, lots of family and not once did anyone mention Brexit, and thank god too. Honestly it doesn't even register. I know some remainers like to tell us it's a hot topic, but really it isn't.

 

[daveinplzen]

...like I have done something wrong? Why do I need to explain myself and my opinion?

Wait, you have put an opinion on a thread that is debating brexit, and when your opinion is questioned, you dont want to explain it?
Thats pretty odd really.

 

[LadySeagull]

That is not what was said - and anyway other leave voters have posted an answer already.

So why do Greek people I know, say they can't understand why we want to leave?

I wonder??!!

Was your post ironic? They hardly come from the same standpoint within the EU.