[Politics] Brexit

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Bit of educational reading for the flat earthers on here.

No opinions expressed, just five key arguments factchecked

https://fullfact.org/europe/five-brexit-plans-factchecked/

Very good. Recommended (sorry: required) homework reading for all, but perhaps for some more than others.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Sometimes you really need to stop thinking you know it all.. Even the previous most senior civil servent in charge of planning for Brexit is on record as saying nobody knows what will really happen with a no deal. Yet somehow some two bit poster on a football forum does ??

And please show me where I've even hinted Johnson has the answer - I'm sure you'll be able to with your skillful use of the search function that you love so much.

And still you can't accept that as things currently stand, the legal default is that we leave with no deal. Despite the EU saying this, the UK governmemt saying this, every expert commentator saying this, you, some retired small business owner says it's not the case :facepalm:

I thought this looked familiar

Maybe we could have another round of that game where Meg makes a prediction, and you and all your mates have your say, like we did at the beginning of March this year.

But the only thing that is certain is that we are not leaving on 29th March 2019 with a WTO 'no deal', and anyone who still thinks we are must be a little 'challenged'

So let me get this right. The following people have said no deal is an absolute possibility ( and the list isn't exhustive ) :

Junker
May
Tusk
Barnier
Corbyn
Cable
Bank of England Governor
Bank of England Deputy Governor
The Irish PM
The Deputy Irish PM
The Irish Finance Minister
Hammond
Starmer
Fox
James Dyson
Numerous political commentators across the whole spectrum of the press
Macron
Merkel
The Dutch PM
The CEO of Aviva
Gove
The ERG
The First Minister of Scotland
The CBI
The IOD
A multitude of UK MPs
The head of the SMMT
The head of HMRC
Barclay
Johnson
Davies

Yet you, some retired small business person in Wales with some fake crystal ball knows better than all these people ( and others ) and dismisses it with "Politicians don't always tell the truth" ? Remarkable, utterly remarkable.

Do tell - what gives you this great in sight and knowledge that all this people closer to the process don't have ?

Eh? Crash out with a No Deal Brexit?
Did you not get the memo from Watford Zero?
Even though the UK and EU are preparing for No Deal Brexit, and the EU further legislated for it last week and the PM only this week further stated that “An extension cannot take no deal off the table”
You must surely be aware a magic ball speaks to Watford zero and has told him a No Deal Brexit is impossible.

So, all of these people know so much less than someone who used to be a supplier to ma government department.

OK. Got it.

You are a prime example of the problem with this thread. Your failure to countenance that other, sharper minds than yours, say that this is being over played for political aims. But no, you know best. I'm surprised they haven't called you up to help them.

You are going to look so foolish when we leave and things get sorted with reasonable ease (post any short-term disruption).

At least you haven't called me welsh this time.

And then, like last time, after the date of the prediction has passed we find out who was right, me or you and your buddies.

And knowing your predilection for gambling, Double or quits ?

 

[Baldseagull]

Bit of educational reading for the flat earthers on here.

No opinions expressed, just five key arguments factchecked

https://fullfact.org/europe/five-brexit-plans-factchecked/

It's a belief thing though mate.
I reckon most of those that still come on here and post are Brexit Jihadi's, they don't care about the truth or lie of it anymore, they are fully bought in and willing to blow themselves up in the name of the cause, as long as they take a few metropolitan elite remoaners out at the same time.

 

[Lever]

And you're clearly making progress in your learning of how to quote people. Well done .... gold star.

your pointless little sarcastic comment is noted....

 

[Lever]

It's a belief thing though mate.
I reckon most of those that still come on here and post are Brexit Jihadi's, they don't care about the truth or lie of it anymore, they are fully bought in and willing to blow themselves up in the name of the cause, as long as they take a few metropolitan elite remoaners out at the same time.

.... a chilling thought.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I thought this looked familiar

Maybe we could have another round of that game where Meg makes a prediction, and you and all your mates have your say, like we did at the beginning of March this year.



At least you haven't called me welsh this time.

And then, like last time, after the date of the prediction has passed we find out who was right, me or you and your buddies.

And knowing your predilection for gambling, Double or quits ?

And yet again ..... I've not made a prediction. I've just explained, yet again, that the current legal default is no deal. I'm really not sure why that is so difficult for you to understand.

 

[WATFORD zero]

And yet again ..... I've not made a prediction. I've just explained, yet again, that the current legal default is no deal. I'm really not sure why that is so difficult for you to understand.

Just as it was the last time and the time before that

And it won't happen this time for the exact same reasons that it didn't happen last time or the time before that.

I'm assuming the civil servant you are referring to is Karen Wheeler who resigned from HMRC, as the one who 'didn't know what would happen'.

'It meant officials were unafraid of politically inconvenient truths, including Wheeler, who earlier this year said there were no magic technological solutions for preventing a hard border with Ireland in the event of no deal.

Wheeler said the UK would need a customs union with the EU, plus something that looked like a single market, to have completely free movement of goods across the border between Northern Ireland and Ireland.'

I wonder where I've heard that before

 

[Lincoln Imp]

As ever you are probably the least qualified to comment on what is reasonable and democratic as a rosette wearing representative of the 'bollox to Brexit' party who insists it should take three votes to leave the EU and would vote for the antisemite Marxist party ....

And you, by your logic if not mine, a "supporter/facilitator" of the notion that gays can be dealt with by science?

 

[ManOfSussex]

It's a belief thing though mate.
I reckon most of those that still come on here and post are Brexit Jihadi's, they don't care about the truth or lie of it anymore, they are fully bought in and willing to blow themselves up in the name of the cause, as long as they take a few metropolitan elite remoaners out at the same time.

It's English extremism and it all comes back to belief. Remoaners/Scots/Lib Dems/people who see themselves as British who put the union first and not the almighty of Brexit etc - they're all non-believers. Therefore for those who truly 'believe' in Brexit itself - anyone who doesn't is a traitor, an expert, a remoaner, ultimately a loser in their winning eyes who, if they wont pay homage to the almighty of Brexit and now covert to believing in it, will be branded these things and the 'belief' in Brexit means everything can be dismissed as project fear/a price worth paying/would have happened anyway.

Even if you've converted into believing in it now, the fact is if you weren't a believer on June 24th 2016 aka Independence Day and the 1st day of whatever it is in the Faragian calendar they use, you were never a true believer in the first place and not properly one of them.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Hold onto your hats, gentlemen, the OBR is about to release its forecast on the fiscal impact of a no-deal. It won't be pretty, but doubtless our Leaver friends will be in denial and (oh no) might even bang on about Project Fear. Flat-earth indeed. (And, oh yes, climate change is a fake and the moon landings were staged.)

 

[Thunder Bolt]

your pointless little sarcastic comment is noted....

It's the sneering. The one thing they have in common is a sneering attitude.

 

[schmunk]

Hold onto your hats, gentlemen, the OBR is about to release its forecast on the fiscal impact of a no-deal. It won't be pretty, but doubtless our Leaver friends will be in denial and (oh no) might even bang on about Project Fear. Flat-earth indeed. (And, oh yes, climate change is a fake and the moon landings were staged.)

Pah! What do these so-called "experts" know about anything...?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The comparison is not so daft as saying No deal is No problem, I appreciate that this is not what you said, but I honestly think that it is about as likely as seeing Knockaert wear the gloves in a Premier league match, for exactly the same reason, it is a bloody ridiculous course of action to take, will put us in a weak position and is not a sustainable position to continue with.

I thought your analogy was excellent.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

And you, by your logic if not mine, a "supporter/facilitator" of the notion that gays can be dealt with by science?

Really? Some times I wonder why I have people on ignore. No, nay, never this chump, though.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Just as it was the last time and the time before that

And it won't happen this time for the exact same reasons that it didn't happen last time or the time before that.

I'm assuming the civil servant you are referring to is Karen Wheeler who resigned from HMRC, as the one who 'didn't know what would happen'.

'It meant officials were unafraid of politically inconvenient truths, including Wheeler, who earlier this year said there were no magic technological solutions for preventing a hard border with Ireland in the event of no deal.

Wheeler said the UK would need a customs union with the EU, plus something that looked like a single market, to have completely free movement of goods across the border between Northern Ireland and Ireland.'

I wonder where I've heard that before

And yet again ..... wrong .... it was Philip Rycroft I was referring to.

 

[Baldseagull]

And yet again ..... I've not made a prediction. I've just explained, yet again, that the current legal default is no deal. I'm really not sure why that is so difficult for you to understand.

It is fully understood, but to say it implies that is a realistic outcome. The current legal default for a leasehold Flat is that it reverts to the freeholder at the end of the lease, ever known anyone that has let that happen?

 

[A1X]

Interesting blog post comparing a Johnson premiership to Nixon's tenure in the White House and the potential scenarios.

https://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2019/07/johnsons-prospects-come-in-three.html

The whole thing is worth a read, but this bit in particular I think is relevant to many on here;

On the latter, I think it is insufficiently recognized, by both no-dealers and commentators, just how devastating the political fallout would be of an ‘unelected’ Prime Minister - especially using prorogation powers - enacting a policy with such dire consequences. It would make ‘Black Wednesday’, which eviscerated Tory reputation for economic competence for a political generation, look like a minor blip. For all that he, and the Brexiters, would wheel out numerous excuses (blaming the EU, remainers, May, lack of preparation for no-deal etc.) the overnight effects would make the cause and effect relation very obvious to voters, many of whom would recall that they had been promised something very different in 2016, not least by Johnson himself.

 

[Dick Head]

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Angela Eagle and Boris Johnson: same hairdresser?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

He's a power hungry narcissist.

Next.

A man to get the job done
regards
DR