[Politics] Brexit

[GrizzlingGammon]

So... for purely selfish reasons and not living in the UK you felt, from another country to a right to vote because it may affect you. Guess what... you made your bed.

And you don't vote in elections for 'selfish reasons' ; tax cuts, higher tax threshold etc. Maybe you just blindly vote for one party.

In regard to the referendum, every British citizen, home or abroad, should have been able to vote. It should have extended the voting age to include 16 year olds as they will have to live this result for the longest.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

She's an absolute sweetie.

She closed her Facebook account down because it had been hacked. I posted that a couple of pages ago.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Anti Democratic To$$ers.

However, this chap, now departed, speaking sense as he often did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQY2CHx4d3U

His son is better.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

If anyone is in doubt about this whole scenario being a Tory party fight, many senior MPs are now saying they will vote for May's deal if she steps down as PM.

It is a right-wing coup.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47683059

 

[ManOfSussex]

As well you well you know I was using the N word as an example of a word that is acceptable to the people that think using word retard is acceptable. It's very telling that you, Plooks and Lever are defending the use of the word retard. It IS an offensive word and shows a complete lack of intelligence.

When I applied for residency of Botswana, I had to fill out a medical form for the Ministry of Labour and Home Affairs. It was a tick box questionnaire, which I then had to take to a private doctor, pay 100 Pula (£10) to have it certified and stamped by his receptionist without ever actually seeing the doctor in person. A very thorough, watertight process I thought. They must have taken advice from The Home Office on how to do it.

Anyway, one of the questions was - Q. Are you a mental retard? Yes/No

I answered no and somehow survived the trauma of encountering the word and didn't take umbrage at them.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Someone is certainly getting a little confused. Maybe you are new to this thread so I'll give you an explanation of some of the terminology used.

If someone wants to revoke Article 50, stay in the EU and forget leaving completely - They have traditionally been known as REMAINERS

If someone wants to revoke Article 50, to look at alternatives and then re-invoke at a later date - They have traditionally been known as LEAVERS

Hope this has cleared it up for you, and I think if you stick with this tradition you may find it less confusing

I've seen a number of posts recently with similar sentiments to these. It's ironic because you now know what it's been like for the last 40 years for those of us who didn't believe being in the EEC/EU was a good thing. Given both mainstream parties were pro-EU ( excluding Labour under Foot for a very brief time ) we had no way of voting for an anti-EU party that would make any difference. And now the remainers think they've been forgotten ..... well welcome to the club !

Don't know why I got quoted in there as it's nothing to do with your point. My point was very specifically trying to explain the differences between remainers and leavers to Pasta as he seemed to be getting confused

(I keep on getting 'quoted' on your posts in my notifications and when I go to your post there's no quote of mine there. What are you doing ? )

 

[Wrong-Direction]

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[Baldseagull]

If you do you would support enacting the referendum result which you would have demanded if Remain had won. Once enacted we get the chance to change direction if a majority agrees ... It's how UK democracy works. Keep asking the question until you get the right answer is very EU.

If remain had won on 52%, I would not have taken that as an endorsement of taking the Euro, signing up to an EU Army, joining the Schengen area etc. and any Government that did, would have had a referendum on each one of those by law, I am sure that in those circumstances you would not suggest that because we had voted to stay in, only remainers should have a say in what staying in actually meant. So here we are with a version of leave that the most vocal leave supporting MP's voted against, twice, and may yet get another chance to change their minds on that once they see what the alternatives are, or realise what the alternative will be, whilst telling the electorate that to ask if we still want to do it, is undemocratic.
You know this would not have been over with a narrow remain result, and another referendum would be on the agenda of the Tory Eurosceptics and UKIP, and no doubt you would have been supporting that.

 

[WATFORD zero]

And Meg says she doesn't always get everything right



If she had the same insight into the commercial world that she had into politics, she would have ordered truckloads of straws earlier this year and made an absolute killing this past couple of weeks

 

[Baldseagull]

Righto, so if we couldnt rejoin with the same terms,the EU would be too shit in your view, and you would say NO, stay out if there was a rejoin referendum
Helps a lot thanks.

My view is that we would rejoin on the lesser terms, we would just be worse off by billions than we are now, but still better off by billions than we would be in your wet dream version of Brexit.

 

[Lever]

When I applied for residency of Botswana, I had to fill out a medical form for the Ministry of Labour and Home Affairs. It was a tick box questionnaire, which I then had to take to a private doctor, pay 100 Pula (£10) to have it certified and stamped by his receptionist without ever actually seeing the doctor in person. A very thorough, watertight process I thought. They must have taken advice from The Home Office on how to do it.

Anyway, one of the questions was - Q. Are you a mental retard? Yes/No

I answered no and somehow survived the trauma of encountering the word and didn't take umbrage at them.

Not worth bothering with, I'm sorry to say. S/he has 'retard' tourettes and has nothing else to offer but faux outrage. Just desperate to seize the moral high ground but with no meaningful contribution to make.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Someone is certainly getting a little confused. Maybe you are new to this thread so I'll give you an explanation of some of the terminology used.

If someone wants to revoke Article 50, stay in the EU and forget leaving completely - They have traditionally been known as REMAINERS

If someone wants to revoke Article 50, to look at alternatives and then re-invoke at a later date - They have traditionally been known as LEAVERS

Hope this has cleared it up for you, and I think if you stick with this tradition you may find it less confusing

I was in central London today for the theatre, where I witnessed colossal crowds, the trains from Sussex this morning were packed with folk like Sardines. Looked all good natured.

Well I didn't go up to show "my support". I've been to a number of these things to observe, the most most surreal being the countryside alliance one.

What I observed today was hundreds and hundreds and thousands of "ordinary" people. Most striking was the elderly, somewhat smashing away the argument that anyone over a certain age would definitely vote out.

I expected a coalition of rainbow flags, the socialist worker and those using the day to promote their own causes, "women for the EU", "vegans against Brexit" etc...

But I didn't. Just ordinary people, the "losers", the "moaners", the frankly forgotten by the Political Class. How ironic.

It led me to conclusion that many people voted Brexit not to make to own lives better, but simply to make others lives worse in some form of demented revenge. Against what ?

If you consider yourself a patriot (which I do), watch Hestletine's speech on You Tube. Awesome.

Don't know why I got quoted in there as it's nothing to do with your point. My point was very specifically trying to explain the differences between remainers and leavers to Pasta as he seemed to be getting confused

(I keep on getting 'quoted' on your posts in my notifications and when I go to your post there's no quote of mine there. What are you doing ? )

It's the shit software [MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] is running ... when I click quote it adds loads of previous quotes from the same thread. Sometimes I remember to delete them ..... sometimes I don't.

 

[Baldseagull]

You don't believe in enacting the democratic results of elections, therefore, don't respect democracy

What ever happened to the words Free and Fair preceding the word elections in this statement?

 

[vegster]

If anyone is in doubt about this whole scenario being a Tory party fight, many senior MPs are now saying they will vote for May's deal if she steps down as PM.

It is a right-wing coup.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47683059

A ringing endorsement if ever there was.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Not worth bothering with, I'm sorry to say. S/he has 'retard' tourettes and has nothing else to offer but faux outrage. Just desperate to seize the moral high ground but with no meaningful contribution to make.

Ohhh, look at you darling ! Still unable to accept the word retard is offensive then.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Seriously? You think "anything resembling a constitutional change" only equals Brexit? Good grief, no wonder you don't get this simple stuff.

Places that have required supermajorities for anything resembling constitutional changes. Hmm, let me think. The US does for all constitutional changes. And you won't like this: the EU does. India does. Canada does. Spain does. All the states of the former Yugoslavia required a supermajority for independence. etc etc

Oh, and the UK does. The House of Commons can only be dissolved if two thirds of the MPs vote in favour. Well, well, fancy that.

As I said, basic politics.

I'm glad to see someone else is having the same problems.

I love the way you have to repeatedly explain things time and time again, each time getting simpler until it eventually dawns on them. At this point the standard response is that you have become 'patronising'

 

[birthofanorange]

If remain had won on 52%, I would not have taken that as an endorsement of taking the Euro, signing up to an EU Army, joining the Schengen area etc. and any Government that did, would have had a referendum on each one of those by law, I am sure that in those circumstances you would not suggest that because we had voted to stay in, only remainers should have a say in what staying in actually meant. So here we are with a version of leave that the most vocal leave supporting MP's voted against, twice, and may yet get another chance to change their minds on that once they see what the alternatives are, or realise what the alternative will be, whilst telling the electorate that to ask if we still want to do it, is undemocratic.
You know this would not have been over with a narrow remain result, and another referendum would be on the agenda of the Tory Eurosceptics and UKIP, and no doubt you would have been supporting that.

Very clearly put, and I fully expect it to fall on deaf ears, sadly.

 

[WATFORD zero]

It's the shit software [MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] is running ... when I click quote it adds loads of previous quotes from the same thread. Sometimes I remember to delete them ..... sometimes I don't.

So it's not TMs, Remain voters, The Government, The EU or MPs fault this time, it's Bozza's

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

And you don't vote in elections for 'selfish reasons' ; tax cuts, higher tax threshold etc. Maybe you just blindly vote for one party.

In regard to the referendum, every British citizen, home or abroad, should have been able to vote. It should have extended the voting age to include 16 year olds as they will have to live this result for the longest.

16 is too young. The gravity of the vote, as has been said so many times, should be only be for adults. Children shouldn't be saddled with it.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

So it's not TMs, Remain voters, The Government, The EU or MPs fault this time, it's Bozza's

Indeed .... that's me banned !