[Politics] Brexit

[Hugo Rune]

No LOL?





By legal default, on our way.

LOL [emoji23]

 

[Baker lite]

LOL [emoji23]

As maybe, but look at the facts.

If Salvini vetos the extension to Article 50 it Leaves the nuclear option of reneging Article 50, I’m not sure that’s very wise of Parliament, with 11 days to go it’s all very exciting don’t you think?







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[pb21]

As maybe, but look at the facts.

If Salvini vetos the extension to Article 50 it Leaves the nuclear option of reneging Article 50, I’m not sure that’s very wise of Parliament, with 11 days to go it’s all very exciting don’t you think?







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And yet the exact same number voted for no deal as remain.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

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I bet you had to look this up when Rees-Mogg said it.

 

[Two Professors]

Yeah, nice one.

Because statistically the pensioners and unemployed were DEFINITELY all Remain voters

Nice one .I knew I had missed someone from the list of useless unemployables-statisticians.Pensioners and unemployed?How about Cable and Corbin?

 

[Triggaaar]

That breaks the Article 50 rules as clarified in court.

Only another Government could re-trigger it, so another election needed.

Ok, so we'd trigger it after the next election.

What is the rule that stops the same government triggering it twice? Seems like a weird rule for us to impose on ourselves.

 

[Triggaaar]

News to me that Australia was uninhabited before Cook went there.

Just wait until the natives find out.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Brexiteers mostly work for a living!

Denizens of Stoke work

 

[Baker lite]

I bet you had to look this up when Rees-Mogg said it.

You still awake?








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[Blue Valkyrie]

Ok, so we'd trigger it after the next election.

What is the rule that stops the same government triggering it twice? Seems like a weird rule for us to impose on ourselves.

It's not a rule against triggering it twice.


It's a ruling that revocation must be in genuine good faith and serious.

It doesn't count if there is revocation and then re-triggering. This could be done, but the revocation would be cancelled, and the clock would restart at the same point as it stopped - ie not with a new full 2 year negotiation.

 

[Triggaaar]

It's not a rule against triggering it twice.


It's a ruling that revocation must be in genuine good faith and serious.

Right - so, we're about to crash out with no deal, which is not acceptable to anyone, so we need to revoke it while we decide what the hell we're going to do. The government could then spend months working on a completely new deal (eg, common market, Norway+ etc), then trigger Article 50 again.

It doesn't count if there is revocation and then re-triggering. This could be done, but the revocation would be cancelled, and the clock would restart at the same point as it stopped - ie not with a new full 2 year negotiation.

If we came up with a new deal, it would be pretty daft if the EU forced us out with no deal, rather than agree to spend time discussing our new proposal.

 

[WATFORD zero]

As maybe, but look at the facts.

If Salvini vetos the extension to Article 50 it Leaves the nuclear option of reneging Article 50, I’m not sure that’s very wise of Parliament, with 11 days to go it’s all very exciting don’t you think?







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I'm not surprised you're excited. 11 more days and you might, 3 years later, find out what you voted for

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Right - so, we're about to crash out with no deal, which is not acceptable to anyone, so we need to revoke it while we decide what the hell we're going to do. The government could then spend months working on a completely new deal (eg, common market, Norway+ etc), then trigger Article 50 again.

If we came up with a new deal, it would be pretty daft if the EU forced us out with no deal, rather than agree to spend time discussing our new proposal.

Hang on, even when the clock restarts at the same time on re-triggering, I never said that at that point an extension ( granted by the EU ) isn't possible - of course it is, but not a 100% certainty.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

By the way, here's a legal view of where we are now.

It's just an opinion of course, not a legal ruling.

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1107687605796331521?s=19

 

[Triggaaar]

Hang on, even when the clock restarts at the same time on re-triggering, I never said that at that point an extension ( granted by the EU ) isn't possible - of course it is, but not a 100% certainty.

Yes ok. So we could revoke it, then debate the way forward, then either trigger it again (and rely on the EU to grant an extension, as we will have done something meaningful (completely new deal), or we'd have to trigger it again after the next election.

With 11 days until the deadline, it's an option.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Yes ok. So we could revoke it, then debate the way forward, then either trigger it again (and rely on the EU to grant an extension, as we will have done something meaningful (completely new deal), or we'd have to trigger it again after the next election.

With 11 days until the deadline, it's an option.

Absolutely. Could happen, perhaps.

 

[Triggaaar]

By the way, here's a legal view of where we are now.

It's just an opinion of course, not a legal ruling.

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1107687605796331521?s=19

I love point 15

Well it ain't dull.

 

[clapham_gull]

Worth pointing out that arch leavers like (and not a bad bloke) Bill Cash are 100% behind the speaker.

This was a nod to Brexiteers.

 

[drew]

Yes ok. So we could revoke it, then debate the way forward, then either trigger it again (and rely on the EU to grant an extension, as we will have done something meaningful (completely new deal), or we'd have to trigger it again after the next election.

With 11 days until the deadline, it's an option.

Are you sure? Not quite sure why you're referring to an extension if we revoke A50 as it would mean there is no time limit as at that point we would no longer be in the process of leaving. I don't think we are able to revoke A50 if it is merely a delaying tactic. If that is the case, maybe the EU will insist that to demonstrate good faith in that it isn't a delaying tactic that we should then hold a further referendum!!

 

[Triggaaar]

Are you sure? Not quite sure why you're referring to an extension if we revoke A50 as it would mean there is no time limit as at that point we would no longer be in the process of leaving.

You've misread. After revoking, we could later trigger A50 again. But Blue Valkyrie says that if we do that (before the next election) it won't be another 2 years, it will just be the few days that we currently have left, so we'd need to ask for an extension.

I don't think we are able to revoke A50 if it is merely a delaying tactic.

We don't need to satisfy special criteria to revoke it, the government can do that (it's not clear whether it needs an act of parliament, but it's the UK's choice). We can make up whatever excuse we like, but 'to avoid crashing out without a deal' seems like a reasonable one.

If that is the case, maybe the EU will insist that to demonstrate good faith in that it isn't a delaying tactic that we should then hold a further referendum!!

It's up to us if we revoke or not, they don't get a say.