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[Politics] Brexit
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Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
I do wonder about that Twitter site.
brightn'ove
cringe
nicko31
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Steve Woolfe, UKIP MEP
https://twitter.com/i/status/1105824943231680512
Desperate, cheap politics...
https://twitter.com/i/status/1105824943231680512
Desperate, cheap politics...
LadySeagull
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Wow back at you.
No is the answer to your crass questions. Usual crap from a remainer.
Did I say I liked the balls up that the Government and the useless 'opposition' have manged to achieve/?
No, it's a disaster and an embarrassment. Do we agree on that?
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
Brexit at any cost? No, war, famine, nuclear annihilation etc no thanks. But I have long held the view that the UK is an outdated idea and that the 4 comprising nations (sorry Trig, England is a country!
) would evolve a more grown up relationship with one-another. Of course, if one is tied to past ideas of empire and glory, then the idea of the UK breaking up would be most unpalatable.And who said the EU is evil? I certainly didn't and nor do I see it as a question of good and evil. It is a pity that such emotive terms are used as they do nothing to help the discussion.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Worth pointing out that now we don't have Putin's permission for an extension, we'll be unlikely to get his permission to re-join at any point.
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No one has yet explained to me what a second referendum on whether to leave would achieve?
I could get behind one that listed all of the options to leave as we have already decided to do that, but why would we vote again on whether to remain or not? We have said that already.
Say we had one and Remain won by 52% to 48% as I think is very possible. What then?
The issue isn't in the original vote, it's in the inability of the largely remain supporting MPs to accept it.
I could get behind one that listed all of the options to leave as we have already decided to do that, but why would we vote again on whether to remain or not? We have said that already.
Say we had one and Remain won by 52% to 48% as I think is very possible. What then?
The issue isn't in the original vote, it's in the inability of the largely remain supporting MPs to accept it.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
I do feel that, in the interests of a balanced debate,we should post some good news from the EU as well.The Greek economy is now the best performer in the EU according to the IMF.Their economy is now only 24% smaller than it was 10 years ago,adult unemployment is down to 18.5%,and youth unemployment is a miniscule 40%!
nicko31
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Brexit at any cost? No, war, famine, nuclear annihilation etc no thanks. But I have long held the view that the UK is an outdated idea and that the 4 comprising nations (sorry Trig, England is a country!
And who said the EU is evil? I certainly didn't and nor do I see it as a question of good and evil. It is a pity that such emotive terms are used as they do nothing to help the discussion.
I'm sure Putin would approve of a UK break up, the weaker we are the better..
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
If you've got a spare $1.5 million,you won't notice such a small amount if you donate it to REMF.Such a small number.
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
You appear to be highly subjective about which 'promises' you believe are acceptably broken and which are not. They appear to follow this premise:
Anything in a manifeso=fair game even if the 'promises' unfairly influence the way in which people may vote in the election.
Anything in a referendum campaign= unfair as the 'promises' influenced the way that people voted.
It is hardly surprising that the 'promises' being broken objection happens to coincide with an objection to the end result. I hardly think you would enjoy the phrase 'and if they end up being broken then so be it, that's the nature of them. Events, dear boy. being applied as an explanation or excuse for the awful campaign method employed by some in the leave camp. However for the sake of consistency, it is a live by the sword, die by the sword situation. Dear boy.
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
Perhaps we should frame all our home and foreign policy through fear, real or imagined, of Russia.
LadySeagull
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Remain would not win a second referendum.
Most remainers I've read about (on here, in loads of articles - no, not in the Daily Mail - and talking to friends and colleagues) just don't want to know why people voted (and will vote) leave. Remainers do not get it, did not expect it, have made no effort to understand the views of people like me and simply branded us thick or uninformed. Well that's why the same will happen again, if a new referendum occurs.
It is stupidity to repeat the same behaviour expecting a different outcome. There would not be a different outcome because no remainer I've seen has bothered to try to understand all the different reasons up and down the country, that led to a 'leave' majority. Also, anyone who was on the fence before cannot possibly be on the fence now, and the 'on the fencers' voted for the status quo, as you would if unsure. Some of those will have shifted to a leave perspective in the past 2 years.
Whilst you might not be willing or able to listen to or attempt to understand why intelligent people (yep, like me) voted 'leave', by contrast, I can understand why most people I know voted remain. Usually they say things like they have family abroad/have a European wife, etc. I get that. It was about what was best for them in their bubble.
I voted because I believe leaving the EU would be better for the Country and I still believe that. Three of my kids are scientists, either employed or students, who will always need to collaborate abroad - and I still voted to leave. And they were on the fence remainers in 2016, didn't know enough about the issue.
Two of them would now vote leave.
I wasn't expecting the resulting mixture of sabotage and cock up though.
Most remainers I've read about (on here, in loads of articles - no, not in the Daily Mail - and talking to friends and colleagues) just don't want to know why people voted (and will vote) leave. Remainers do not get it, did not expect it, have made no effort to understand the views of people like me and simply branded us thick or uninformed. Well that's why the same will happen again, if a new referendum occurs.
It is stupidity to repeat the same behaviour expecting a different outcome. There would not be a different outcome because no remainer I've seen has bothered to try to understand all the different reasons up and down the country, that led to a 'leave' majority. Also, anyone who was on the fence before cannot possibly be on the fence now, and the 'on the fencers' voted for the status quo, as you would if unsure. Some of those will have shifted to a leave perspective in the past 2 years.
Whilst you might not be willing or able to listen to or attempt to understand why intelligent people (yep, like me) voted 'leave', by contrast, I can understand why most people I know voted remain. Usually they say things like they have family abroad/have a European wife, etc. I get that. It was about what was best for them in their bubble.
I voted because I believe leaving the EU would be better for the Country and I still believe that. Three of my kids are scientists, either employed or students, who will always need to collaborate abroad - and I still voted to leave. And they were on the fence remainers in 2016, didn't know enough about the issue.
Two of them would now vote leave.
I wasn't expecting the resulting mixture of sabotage and cock up though.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
We did when the Cold War was ongoing.
On a serious note, how can you not remember something so fundamental as hoping for another referendum so shortly after the first whilst then somehow finding justification today, you didn't really have any original 'justification' then as you don't today it's your way of deluding yourself that you are not anti democratic.
I’m not sure where they’re being made but it’s been announced over here that the life-time servicing deal, which I understand is the more lucrative part of the contract, is going to be at Rolls Royce Thüringen. Isn’t Rolls ultimately German owned anyway? I lose track.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
BMW owns Rolls Royce.
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I think the Jet Engines are nothing to do with BMW, separate company.