[Politics] Brexit

[Maldini]

Make sure you get up nice and early to vote, your voice matters remember[emoji53] [emoji106]

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By any chance do you use a XT1032 using Tapatalk ?

 

[Wrong-Direction]

(Shhhh.You don't understand.The longer I keep him on this thread he hates the more of a **** I make him look although he's doing that quite well by himself)

I don't hate this thread, I don't even hate you, I just feel sorry for you believing you're gonna make a difference

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[Maldini]

I don't hate this thread, I don't even hate you, I just feel sorry for you believing you're gonna make a difference

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I'd rather talk to you about your XT1032 and exactly what Tapatalk is.It's probably far more interesting than anything else you have to say.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

I'd rather talk to you about your XT1032 and exactly what Tapatalk is.It's probably far more interesting than anything else you have to say.

Oh what's this, ukip policy, gang up on the foreigner until they goe back to where they came from [emoji20]

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[Maldini]

Oh what's this, ukip policy, gang up on the foreigner until they goe back to where they came from [emoji20]

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OMG are you a foreigner?Had I known that I would never lowered myself to speak with you.I feel sick

 

[Wrong-Direction]

OMG are you a foreigner?Had I known that I would never lowered myself to speak with you.I feel sick

Don't worry, vote leave and you might get rid of me, I'm taking loads of resources off you and giving EFF all back WINNING[emoji106]

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[The Rivet]

THREAD ALERT:................. Descended at this point to almost unreadable. On this night too.

 

[Albumen]

 

[Hampster Gull]

Good post.

 

[The Rivet]

I am so looking forward to the 24th June

Goodnight all.

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[Half Time Pies]

You are right, I don't readily accept expert opinion because I have a tendency to question it.

There a multiple reasons why I question the assertion by "experts" here because the algorithm and what is factored in are not clear. There is a very basic supply and demand argument about a free labour market, and history demonstrates that workers pay is best protected when a labour market is controlled.

To assert that workers benefit from any uncontrolled markets is absurd, the Mike Ashleys' Sir Phillip Greens' Sir Fred Goodwins' and Goldman Sachs' of this world all neatly demonstrate that free markets will only benefit them and their kind.

The evidence on the ground proves this too, and if you and the experts are right then workers (the low paid in particular) would be rallying around the remain campaign and Labour MPs would continue on their message that a free labour market is great!

But only in recent times, following catastrophic election results and their traditional support base turning its back on Labour's long held capitalist message are Labour MPs now advocating controls on the open EU labour market.

Remember, experts would have produced evidence of WMD or that the UK had abolished boom and bust, we know different now.

As it outlines in the report immigrants coming in to the country actually affect both the supply and demand sides of the labour market. The number of jobs is not fixed and since immigrants consume local services and goods, this increases demand and raises the prospects of those who produce the goods and services. This is the likely main reason why the empirical evidence shows that immigration has not had a detrimental affect on either unemployment levels or wages.

The UK does not have a free labour market and in my personal case I do wonder if the impact to British born workers may have been more pronounced had we not had the National Minimum/ Living Wage in place.

In terms of your last point about why low paid workers are not rallying around the remain campaign (if this is the case). We have been through the worst recession in a generation followed by years of austerity which has served the ideological purposes of our current government and decimated public services. Unfortunately other groups have been able to seize upon the general discontent of the population to whip up a frenzy around the issue of immigration. One particular political party and several elements of the media blames every one of Britain's current flaws on immigration and foreigners and its surprising therefore that people have brought in to this.

Unfortunately there is a historical pattern repeated time and time again all over the world of foreigners and minority groups being used as scapegoats any time there is a sustained period of economic hardship. Look at the success of trump in the US for example.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

People getting shot and stabbed over this, pathetic.

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[Wrong-Direction]

Boris Johnson completely messing up his latest debates [emoji23]

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[The Birdman]

People getting shot and stabbed over this, pathetic.

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some yob tried to head butt a young lad who was handing out leaflets in BURGESS Hill last week for staying in EU . My friends are split but we don't get aggressive we are a democracy and should respect each other's thoughts. I feel EU does need reforming but we can't do it on the outside. I hope we stay in but if we go that's democracy. Then we can back to next season as Bill Shankly said football is more than xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 

[JC Footy Genius]

The very same Philip Green who wants us to Vote Remain .... just like most of his mates. #superrichparasites4eu

I want my country back.

Vote Leave

 

[Wrong-Direction]

"I want my country back" you f******* idiots you won't get your country back if we leave, you won't get it back if we stay, its really not hard to work out ffs

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[Bold Seagull]

The very same Philip Green who wants us to Vote Remain .... just like most of his mates. #superrichparasites4eu

I want my country back.

Vote Leave

Right, what we need to do is make up a set of Referendum Top Trump cards! i.e.

STEPHEN HAWKING
Intelligence 10
Wealth 7
Media Profile 8
Public Influence 7
Remain

SIR PHILIP GREEN
Intelligence 8
Wealth 10
Media Profile 8
Public Influence 2
Remain

VLADAMIR PUTIN
Intelligence 9
Wealth 10
Media Profile 9
Public Influence 1
Leave

etc.

It would be the best way to resolve this thing I reckon!

 

[JC Footy Genius]

"I want my country back" you f******* idiots you won't get your country back if we leave, you won't get it back if we stay, its really not hard to work out ffs

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Yes we get it ... boy do we get it, your position is clear .. voting is a waste of time. But would you mind not hurling abuse at people who think differently.

 

[Maldini]

Nonsense.

Why is it the Remain side feel the need to constantly insult Leave. Why do they feel the need to belittle and dismiss
our point of view with such total disrespectful arrogance.Where did any of us say immigrants cause ALL
of our problems.Where did any of us say we don't want ANY immigrants.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Nonsense.

Why is it the Remain side feel the need to constantly insult Leave. Why do they feel the need to belittle and dismiss
our point of view with such total disrespectful arrogance.Where did any of us say immigrants cause ALL
of our problems.Where did any of us say we don't want ANY immigrants.

[pasted from other thread]
It's not a football match. I don't look at all those LEAVING, and think, they are all on the same side. The spectrum of political views on each side will be massive. Remain has 170 Tories, 218 Labour, 54 SNP - they're not a side, they're just campaigning for the same thing for a brief moment.

To then keep saying 'you can't help lying on the Remain side', 'you're all missing the point on the Leave side' is just ridiculous. You might be Leave, someone else might be Leave, but I'm not assuming you are on the same side, you might have completely different political, personal independent reasons for thinking to vote Leave.

As someone who will vote remain, I am getting tired of being assumed of being part of a Remain Team led by this current government whom I didn't vote for. So please desist with this partisan team/side stuff!