[Politics] Brexit

[beorhthelm]

The electorate didn't choose the *no deal* abyss.

It would be a deliberate act by a cruel Government to impose it.

well yes they did, the remain campaign made quite a lot about economic impact and people voted to leave anyway.

 

[A1X]

well yes they did, the remain campaign made quite a lot about economic impact and people voted to leave anyway.

Weren't they all told not to believe it because "Project Fear"? The official Leave campaign specifically said we would leave with a deal, and prominent leavers were adamant this deal would be easy.

 

[beorhthelm]

Weren't they all told not to believe it because "Project Fear"? The official Leave campaign specifically said we would leave with a deal, and prominent leavers were adamant this deal would be easy.

that may be, point is we cant say "no one was told, therefore we cant do full on hard brexit". because we were then, and since repeatedly.

not that it'll happen, it seems to me the chances of adopting the May deal is increasing, if not there will be a last minute extension.

 

[studio150]

You just wait until the impact of our trade deal with the Faroes kicks in...…………….

A huge boost for those that like pickled herring or smoked mackerel

 

[ManOfSussex]

that may be, point is we cant say "no one was told, therefore we cant do full on hard brexit". because we were then, and since repeatedly.

not that it'll happen, it seems to me the chances of adopting the May deal is increasing, if not there will be a last minute extension.

I don't recall seeing Operation Brock or tearing up the Good Friday Agreement on a side of a bus either back in 2016.

 

[lawros left foot]

well yes they did, the remain campaign made quite a lot about economic impact and people voted to leave anyway.

There was a myriad of reasons some people voted leave, immigration, the lie on the Bus, the ECJ being perceived as having precedent over Parliament, blue passports, our contribution to the EU budget, racism, wanting to go it alone, kicking the Tori’s up the arse, to name a few.

Apart from blue passports, I have personally heard examples of all of the above.
I’ve heard no one say they voted leave to be poorer.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

well yes they did, the remain campaign made quite a lot about economic impact and people voted to leave anyway.

Good argument for going ahead with Brexit when we get a deal.

However, the leave campaigning literature said we would be leaving in an ordered way with a deal, thereby ruling out a *no deal* cataclysm.

 

[beorhthelm]

I don't recall seeing Operation Brock or tearing up the Good Friday Agreement on a side of a bus either back in 2016.

you're right, not much was made about that issue. wasnt the point being made though was it? would you suggest that Brexit and no deal should be abandoned on these grounds? I would think its a strong case, but seems no one is actually making that case, spending time highlighting food shortage instead.

 

[ManOfSussex]

your right, no much was made about that. wasnt the point being made though was it? do you suggest that Brexit and no deal should be abandoned on these grounds? I would think its a strong case, but seems no one is actually making that case, spending time highlighting food shortage instead.

No, but Brexit is about far, far more than just the economics of it though. I'm not saying it should be abandoned, but the nostalgic, fantasy version being pursued and accompanying red lines should be.

It was a 59% leave vote in Kent for example - nobody voted to turn it into a lorry park.

 

[golddene]

Too late. The Tories don't care and even though their party is being torn apart, they will preserve their millions, and will ruin the NHS. It is already well on the slide, with 42000 nursing vacancies, no bursary for British nurses to train at university, and 12000 doctors vacancies.
Ambulance services stretch beyond capacity, and hospital transport already out to tender.

And don't even begin to mention mental health provision

 

[beorhthelm]

However, the leave campaigning literature said we would be leaving in an ordered way with a deal, thereby ruling out a *no deal* cataclysm.

i think we established long ago the leave campaign told a few fibs. (as did remain, but these are so important right now, all we really learnt is not to trust the political class)

 

[ManOfSussex]

Yes they did. That was one possible outcome for leave.

I see what you mean, but 'Vote for Brexit and have the halcyon days of Phase 4 Operation Stack as a daily feature of Kent life' wasn't being sold in 2016.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

i think we established long ago the leave campaign told a few fibs. (as did remain, but these are so important right now, all we really learnt is not to trust the political class)

Broke the law. Why is the government suppressing the National Crime Agency into their investigations of criminal activities when it has been established by the Electoral Commission that the law was broken? Told a few fibs indeed.

 

[ManOfSussex]

It may not have been "sold" but it was an option and leavers voted for it.

It was never mentioned by either side though in 2016.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

I see what you mean, but 'Vote for Brexit and have the halcyon days of Phase 4 Operation Stack as a daily feature of Kent life' wasn't being sold in 2016.

Vote for Brexit and become an 'Airstrip One' dependent territory of the USA wasn't either but that is where *no deal* takes us in the end ( at best ).

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Yes they did. That was one possible outcome for leave.

You've changed your tune. For months you've banged on about 'it wasn't on the ballot paper' ...... where was creating a lorry park in Kent on the ballot paper ? Oh, it wasn't !

 

[ManOfSussex]

Vote for Brexit and become an 'Airstrip One' dependent territory of the USA wasn't either but that is where *no deal* takes us in the end ( at best ).

Thing is with that, I think quite a few people would be more than happy for us to be 'America's bitch' though.

 

[The Clamp]

With all we know now it is safe to dismiss the opinion of anyone that still thinks Brexit is a good idea. They are crackpots.

 

[shingle]

It's utterley cringeworthy as to what lengths some people on here strive to frighten the general public.

Food shortages, shortages of medicines, no sandwiches, no music etc etc. Utter poppycock

Same people on here would have been saying the world would end if we didn't join the exchange rate mechanism, the euro, blah blah blah

You don't frighten us we've heard it all before.

 

[The Clamp]

It's utterley cringeworthy as to what lengths some people on here strive to frighten the general public.

Food shortages, shortages of medicines, no sandwiches, no music etc etc. Utter poppycock

Same people on here would have been saying the world would end if we didn't join the exchange rate mechanism, the euro, blah blah blah

You don't frighten us we've heard it all before.

Whistling past the graveyard.