[Politics] Brexit

[Westdene Seagull]

Hmmm ..... which begs the question how Operation Stack effects the NHS ?? After all, it never has before. How EXACTLY does parking dozens, hundreds or even thousands of lorries on a motorway in anyway prevent the NHS from taking blood from donors ?

Last time I drove through Kent there were plenty of roads that weren't motorways. Also blood can last up to 6 weeks if kept chilled.

Given the rumour ( and that is all it is ) was on a twitter account from someone other than the blood service and twitter is well known for spreading shit I don't think I will thank you.

I note not one person has highlighted there will be other sessions to compensate !!!!

Regardless, I'd like to see the justification and the data behind why they think people still couldn't get to the sessions and why the blood couldn't be transported.

Maybe you could type I apologise for not believing you [MENTION=34106]ManOfSussex[/MENTION] ?

Feel free top highlight in any of my posts where I said I didn't believe [MENTION=34106]ManOfSussex[/MENTION] ? And my original question is still very valid.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yes, she has indefinite leave to remain.

Well done Spain. It seems Britain is lagging way behind, again.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Given the rumour ( and that is all it is ) was on a twitter account from someone other than the blood service and twitter is well known for spreading shit I don't think I will thank you.

It's alright Sky News are reporting it now too - https://news.sky.com/story/nhs-canc...ns-in-kent-over-brexit-traffic-fears-11621422

I refer you to my previous post about rumours and twitter.

God, why do people believe everything they see on twitter

Feel free top highlight in any of my posts where I said I didn't believe [MENTION=34106]ManOfSussex[/MENTION] ? And my original question is still very valid.

Here.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Well done Spain. It seems Britain is lagging way behind, again.

My mum has indefinite leave to remain in the UK. The process to get my mum settled status in this country was easy and efficient. I did it using the app.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Last time I drove through Kent there were plenty of roads that weren't motorways. Also blood can last up to 6 weeks if kept chilled.

Perhaps you should tell the NHS and the authorities in Kent about these roads and that you know best, because they're worried they'll turn to gridlock.

 

[cunning fergus]

One of the creeping trends of the last ten years, massively amplified and hastened by this Brexit nonsense, is that nobody seemingly cares about the "reasonable" MPs anymore. All we ever hear from are the firebrands, the nutters, the weirdos and the demagogues. Think about it, who do we see? Whether it's the ERG lot, or Corbyn's inner sanctum, or whoever. We don't see much of Hilary Benn, or Phil Hammond, or any of the others. Presumably because they aren't going to say something outrageous, therefore nobody wants them on the TV.

The problem with this view is that someone like Tony Blair would be a moderate, and yet no one in the last 20 years has done more to toxify the well of public trust in politicians, some still hark back to his days of bare faced lying, treachery and war criminality.

Politicians like him have created the conditions for Brexit as did US politicians with the rise of trump. I dont who said it but, isnt there a saying we get the politicians we deserve?

 

[cunning fergus]

See Operation Stack, Phase 4, 2015 and what it did to daily live in Kent.

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Its ok, the Irish will starve and go skint before we do......the EU wouldn't do that to them would they?

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Tories getting very riled by JC talking sense in the Commons.

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[cunning fergus]

Is it working class to condone domestic violence?

Its alright he’s nearly 90, i could easily duck it.........not the comments though, and they would hurt more.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

My mum has indefinite leave to remain in the UK. The process to get my mum settled status in this country was easy and efficient. I did it using the app.

Sorry, I got the wrong end of the stick. I'm glad it's worked out for her, as I've seen examples already of it not.

 

[cunning fergus]

Yes, marvellous. While you're here, a couple of things:

1) Yesterday I name-checked all Brexiteers with more posts than you on this thread, asking if any of them saw Brexit as a precursor to a socialist Britain. Guess what? Not a single one of them did. Your class-warrior persona doesn't appeal to anyone on your own side, never mind those on the remain side.

2) You talk a lot about upper classes campaigning for remain and how all good socialists should support Brexit. With that in mind, why have you been so quiet on the Northern Ireland border issue? Because you know as well as anyone that a no-deal Brexit is tantamount to ripping up an international peace accord, right?

1) what does that matter, do i have to coalesce around a single Brexit narrative? I have maintained a consistent view on the EU on this board pre Brexit, during the ref, and since. Just because i am one voice singing in the darkness does not make me wrong, Group think is dangerous.....ask Galileo. My side is grounded in socialism, i cam live with it that i am in a minority, it merely proves my eternal point about how many tories there are on here.......i include you in that lot obviously.

2) what is the problem in NI, it's the EU that need borders not us.......with the rising prices for food etc i would have thought Brexit was a good opportunity for ROI to maximise their commercial advantage over the poverty stricken north. Their entrenched position re backstop makes me wonder if they are not more worried with it working the other way. In any event the EU borders non EU switzerland and other countries without difficulties. Its only political point scoring and ego that is preventing a solution.

 

[beorhthelm]

I have also read the universities in Kent are going to be requisitioned.

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honestly does that even make sense to you or anyone? the issue is whether checks would hold up imports at the port. if they can leave the port to some store, they can make the rest of their onward journey, right?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

EU has prepared official statement should Brady amendment be supported by MPs tonight. 'We will not renegotiate the withdrawal agreement'

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Maybe because her deal was voted down by a record margin of 230 votes, please keep up...

The reason she is still in power is that no one else wants this gig and Corbyn and his left wing cronies are unelectable.

So the answer is going against the “only” deal

Which the EU are already saying no to.

I agree about labour.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

1) what does that matter, do i have to coalesce around a single Brexit narrative? I have maintained a consistent view on the EU on this board pre Brexit, during the ref, and since. Just because i am one voice singing in the darkness does not make me wrong, Group think is dangerous.....ask Galileo. My side is grounded in socialism, i cam live with it that i am in a minority, it merely proves my eternal point about how many tories there are on here.......i include you in that lot obviously.

2) what is the problem in NI, it's the EU that need borders not us.......with the rising prices for food etc i would have thought Brexit was a good opportunity for ROI to maximise their commercial advantage over the poverty stricken north. Their entrenched position re backstop makes me wonder if they are not more worried with it working the other way. In any event the EU borders non EU switzerland and other countries without difficulties. Its only political point scoring and ego that is preventing a solution.

Switzerland is in Schengen and pays the EU to be so.



If the UK defaults to WTO rules (using copied-and-pasted versions of the EU’s tariffs in the short term), the EU would still have to maintain its side of the border. That would require check goods coming into Ireland from the UK.

That’s because the EU’s existence as a free trade area depends on its ability to demonstrate to the WTO that it can control its external borders properly.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factc...the-options-for-the-irish-border-after-brexit

 

[Thunder Bolt]

honestly does that even make sense to you or anyone? the issue is whether checks would hold up imports at the port. if they can leave the port to some store, they can make the rest of their onward journey, right?

If there are food shortages, then non perishable goods need to be stockpiled beforehand. This government is preparing for No Deal because that is where they are heading. In fact, I will go so far as to say, that's what they want.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Perhaps you should tell the NHS and the authorities in Kent about these roads and that you know best, because they're worried they'll turn to gridlock.

Oh, the irony ... perhaps you and WATFORD should tell the NHS and numerous governments and businesses plus MP's desperately trying to block no deal that you know best and it won't happen

 

[nicko31]

EU has prepared official statement should Brady amendment be supported by MPs tonight. 'We will not renegotiate the withdrawal agreement'

Just another exercise is trying to demonise the EU, Tories unicorn chasing again. Will they ever learn?

 

[ManOfSussex]

Oh, the irony ... perhaps you and WATFORD should tell the NHS and numerous governments and businesses plus MP's desperately trying to block no deal that you know best and it won't happen

No - The 'numerous governments and businesses plus MP's desperately trying to block no deal' already know we'd be up the creek without a paddle and in a state of domestic and international legal, political, economic and diplomatic chaos.

It's the Brexit at any price anarchists like you who won't listen and want this outcome who are the problem.

 

[beorhthelm]

If there are food shortages, then non perishable goods need to be stockpiled beforehand. This government is preparing for No Deal because that is where they are heading. In fact, I will go so far as to say, that's what they want.

ok, that makes some sense... though why Kent, rather than other locations around the country away from the expected congestion. not that it would be beyond those in power to be that dumb.