[Politics] Brexit

[Boy Blue]

Unwashed ''doesn't know the meaning of hair shampoo" Gelfof protesting against Nigel Farage.




Thousands of Farage and leave supporters line the waterways cheering him and singing ''Rule Britania''

 

[Two Professors]

So the latest re-invention of history is that without scientific co-operation with the EU there would be no jet engines,television,etc

 

[BigGully]

I guess it depends on how much of a risk you interpret brexit to be compared to the perceived benefits. We are currently one of the world leaders in science, and EU membership has played an important role in that, both in terms of funding and in personnel. Brexit would mean we would almost certainly suffer at least in the short term for the latter; in terms of funding, there is a POSSIBILITY we will recover to the levels we have now eventually. Personally, the possible benefits of Brexit aren't enough for me to take that risk.

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What say will you or I have in a possible funding withdrawal by the EU and thats the point, I would prefer to assess any important policies from a British government that is far more accountable to ourselves.

The EU is teetering on a financial abyss, so why hang your hat on the EU and its member states, the EU region seems to be politically unstable and likely to become more so with a migrant crisis that seems out of control with very few answers, for me the EU is more likely to have other priorities above and beyond what the UK may require or think is critical to our own scientific investment, it seems a strange position to expect a longer term financial guarantee on anything regarding the EU.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Thousands of Farage and leave supporters line the waterways cheering him and singing ''Rule Britania''

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That's about 40 people, btw.

 

[Bold Seagull]

What say will you or I have in a possible funding withdrawal by the EU and thats the point, I would prefer to assess any important policies from a British government that is far more accountable to ourselves.

The EU is teetering on a financial abyss, so why hang your hat on the EU and its member states, the EU region seems to be politically unstable and likely to become more so with a migrant crisis that seems out of control with very few answers, for me the EU is more likely to have other priorities above and beyond what the UK may require or think is critical to our own scientific investment, it seems a strange position to expect a longer term financial guarantee on anything regarding the EU.

If the EU is teetering on a financial abyss, it will impact the UK whether we are in the EU or out. Our economy is already independent of the EU, we don't escape a weak EU zone just through being out of it. The migrant crisis isn't an EU issue, it is a global one with the continued violence and slaughter of civilians in the middle east - of course there are very few answers, there is a war on.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Thousands of Farage and leave supporters line the waterways cheering him and singing ''Rule Britania''

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Thousands!

I thought it was the remain doing all the lying!?

 

[Boy Blue]

That's about 40 people, btw.

You want more pictures then?

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Sorry what are these economic upsides to Brexit? I know that 90% of economists argue there will be a downside. In fact the Economist Intelligence Unit said today that

"A vote to leave the European Union would trigger economic and political convulsions in the UK, plunging the country back into recession and sending the pound sharply lower, a forecasting group has warned.

The pound would fall 14-15% against the dollar in the course of this year, unemployment would rise and the UK would risk losing its status as a global financial centre.

Analysts at the thinktank claim the UK economy would shrink 1% next year in the event of Britain voting to leave in the 23 June referendum. That would be the first contraction in annual GDP since the depths of the financial crisis in 2009.

By 2020, the economy would be 6%, or £106bn, smaller than it would have been had it stayed in the EU, as the UK grappled with a “highly disruptive period in the country’s history”, the EIU said."

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jun/15/brexit-damage-uk-economy-eiu-vote-eu-recession

Meanwhile you talk about vague notions of 'incentives in the economy'. That is totally meaningless. The only incentive is to pull cash out of the UK and find a safe haven while we wreck the foundations of an economy that has the lowest unemployment in 8 years and is currently on course to be the largest economy in Europe.

We have discussed this before haven't we. Economists do not predict anything. They create models that require assumptions and depending upon the choices made about those assumptions different outcomes will emerge. Whenever a new economic policy is formulated economists are asked to run these models. Economists are not employed to predict outcomes in public policy as they do not have the tools without the assumptions. Regarding your other points, you mention a 15 % fall in sterling. Well this would make our exports 15 % cheaper which would be a kickstart to industries such as steel. In any case this sort of currency volatility happens anyway. Look at the charts. In mid 2014 the rate was 1.70. In mid 2013 it was 1.50. I can point you towards much greater volatility, none of which caused economic meltdown.Why would the UK lose its status as a global financial centre ? Business is already moving away from regulated US and Europe to less regulated Singapore and HK. What I have said is not meaningless. Leave Eu means leave the distortions of a bubble economy attracting in resources from elsewhere that overwhelm our economy. Think London/rest of UK and that's what we have with UK/ southern and eastern Europe. The only way to mitigate this would be full integration and transfer of funds from here to the south and east, a bit like we have with London and Middlesbrough. Is that what you want because that is where we are heading if we Remain. Keep making your point, which I respect. Please do not however trash my views in the manner of the campaign politicians.

 

[Bold Seagull]

You want more pictures then?

You can blast a horn down the Thames from Parliament Square to Greenwich, and you will get thousands stopping to watch, simply because people will stop while going about their business! Other than the few placard holders, everyone was probably just walking and stopped to see what was going on, or to cheer Bob on!

 

[hans kraay fan club]

You want more pictures then?

Yes please.

Can I have some of Nigel, the Champion of the fishing industry, too? The Champion, that got elected to the EU Fisheries commission, and failed to turn up for 37 out of 38 meetings that shaped their livelihoods. (Of course he'll be fine, while they struggle, what with all his EU allowance / expense thousands tucked away).

 

[Boy Blue]

The faces of the remain camp.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

The faces of the remain camp.

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Making this about the faces / characters / personalities involved is really NOT a great tactic for a supporter of Leave.

I'll take the guys with straggly hair or shit clothes over self-interested right-wing hypocrites, every time, thanks.

 

[Bold Seagull]

The faces of the leave camp.

nope, that's all I could find.

Even Clarkson is a vote remain...

 

[5ways]

England 2018.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

The faces of the remain camp.

Respect for both of them have gone out of the window, they can both FOFF. Hopefully with the bullshit scaremongering from Osbourne today, which nobody is going to support anyway and now this, hopefully that is a few more votes to Leave. I remember when Newhaven had loads of fishing boats, now there are only a handful, funny enough one of them still flys the UKIP flag. Thank god at least Farage represents the views of the working man, because Labour certainly isn't.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Respect for both of them have gone out of the window, they can both FOFF.

You're going to lose respect for people because they are going to vote differently on the EU to you!? Now that is sad.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

You're going to lose respect for people because they are going to vote differently on the EU to you!? Now that is sad.

I do when they try and stitch Farage up, yes.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I do when they try and stitch Farage up, yes.

That is hilarious!

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I do when they try and stitch Farage up, yes.

Farage is an absolute bell end. A massive hypocrite, interested in nothing but lining his pockets.

He trousers tens of thousands in EU expenses / allowances, for being an MEP, yet never attends or votes.
Campaigns against immigrants taking 'British jobs' yet employs his German wife using public funds.
Is a former City banker from a public school who pretends to be a man of the people.

If it wasn't all so depressing, it would be funny.

Seriously - anyone who buys this guy's front isn't somebody whose 'respect' is anything to worry about losing.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

That is hilarious!

I will be bloody glad when this referendum is over.