[Politics] Brexit

[El Presidente]

It is a depressing situation, this situation was there before the referendum, and will still be there after the vote......the question is which vote will be best for this situation, i believe out, many disagree.....

Which is a polite and decent way to agree to disagree

 

[Soulman]

Problem with a points system is that it can result in even further migration. The Brexiteers keep talking about adopting the Australian system, but this is what has happened under such a policy

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Australia have been welcoming (with a points system) people for years, because it is a massive developing country with lots of work. I think they will "control" immigration when they have enough.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

 

[Soulman]

Which is a polite and decent way to agree to disagree

Yes, if i get the chance (after dodging insults and the normal cards that trot out) i can debate with a position that i do not agree with....and sometimes i can agree.

 

[Soulman]

Exactly this!
Also I'd like to bring a policy in so wealthy foreign investors can't just buy up all the new houses and keep them empty, give at least 75% first choice to people from or around that area, that'll be nice wouldn't it? Shame it won't happen [emoji20]

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Exactly......... i agree, especially these " foreign investors" who do not even live here......a good first law for when we leave eh.

 

[El Presidente]

i can debate with a position that i do not agree with....and sometimes i can agree.

Reverse cowgirl is the position that troubles me the most, especially at my age.


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[El Presidente]

Exactly......... i agree, especially these " foreign investors" who do not even live here......a good first law for when we leave eh.

Agree with you in principle, but which party is going to propose that law?


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[nicko31]

So far FOR exit we have Michael Gove, Boris Johnson, Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin and now Rupert Murdoch.....surely we only need Kim Jong-Un and IS and we have the full set ? ... it's a big incentive to vote Remain in my book.

Farage, Redwood, Galloway, Hopkins the lists goes on. You gotta ask yourself what kind of country we will be left with?

 

[Soulman]

Reverse cowgirl is the position that troubles me the most, especially at my age.


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You are never too old to get back on the horse.............

 

[Soulman]

Agree with you in principle, but which party is going to propose that law?


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You won't like my answer.........

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Exactly......... i agree, especially these " foreign investors" who do not even live here......a good first law for when we leave eh.

You know what I mean! The wealthy live in each others pockets all over the world. I don't want to keep arguing with you, like you said, my main issues are with our government and corruption, which exists everywhere and will never be solved, which is why I find voting a waste of time, but I can accept others want to feel they're making a difference [emoji482]

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[Sorrel]

This is actually quite an informed and neutral test for those who aren't sure.

https://www.crowdpac.co.uk/eu-referendum-in-or-out

I'm 68% 'In'

I got 53% out, which sounds about right.

 

[vegster]

Don't forget Marie LePenn

Thanks, I knew there was another somewhere.

 

[Soulman]

You know what I mean! The wealthy live in each others pockets all over the world. I don't want to keep arguing with you, like you said, my main issues are with our government and corruption, which exists everywhere and will never be solved, which is why I find voting a waste of time, but I can accept others want to feel they're making a difference [emoji482]

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We debate don't we.......

 

[El Presidente]

You won't like my answer.........

I suspect your chums would back out of that in five mins!

 

[nicko31]

Then the EU should have engaged in serious renegotiation's. It was that arrogance that turned many into Brexiters

What makes you think we are so special, we're one of 27 nations in the club.

 

[melias shoes]

William Hill got leave 11/8 now.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Why do we need tough control? I prefer some foreigners to home grown.
We are all people. None are better or worse than others.

That's not really true some people are worse than others, ie Murderers, paedophiles and rapist, as they are scum.

Anyway there goes the stereo typical attack against anyone that wants a better control on immigration, my WHOLE gripe with the past two governments is the empty promises on immigration and how many unknown murderers paedophiles and rapist, let alone the thieves that have entered our back yards and we know diddly squat about who they are and where there are.

Enough is enough time to get TOUGH because the people are calling for it LOUD and clear, yet the remain camp still to waffle on about the country financial stability.

Remain need to start listening to their CUSTOMERS.

 

[larus]

I think your position is the same as mine, as you said in your original post: "people see immigration everywhere. They see in in house prices; they see it waiting times at doctors; they see in in school places. Some of this may be anecdotal, but it's tangible. The problem is the the Remain is all projection. The immigration is real and impacts people's lives. I agree that some immigration is good for the economy, but the numbers which we have had over the past 10-12 years (around 10m people) are just too many."

I personally am in 100% agreement with that statement of yours, and if there was a solution that saw a significant reverse in immigrant numbers I could consider voting Leave. However I believe that we will not see a decrease in the number of immigrants already here once we have exited the EU, and the statements from many other Brexiteers on this thread, such as pastafarian, acknowledge that. With that in mind I have no hesitation in voting Remain because of the good the EU does in other areas of our lives.

I see 2 on going problems. Further immigration and the lack of democracy.
Within the EU, there is no way to stop 150,000-200,000 EU citizens coming every year if they want.
We do not elect (nor can we unelect) the Commisioners nor the President. This stinks of nepotism the whole way through; abuse of expenses (far worse than that which caused the outcry in the UK), and jobs for the boys. Even Neil bloody Kinnock is earning nearly £2m pa.

 

[larus]

NATO is the only deterrent to Russian aggression. Of the EU countries only France and the UK could put a credible all-arms force into the field.

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It amazes me the amount of people fooled by the concept that the EU has created peace in Europe. It's NATO providing the umbrella - mainly backed by US money.

This WILL NOT CHANGE because we aren't voting on NATO, or Europe, just the (abuse of) political power by the EU.