[Politics] Brexit

[Maldini]

The Sun today confirmed they are with the Leave camp as if there was ever any doubt.Most of the big selling newspapers are with Leave.Polls today put Leave in front. We are winning 1-0 with 10 mins left to play and so long as we don't do anything stupid it's in the bag.

 

[5ways]

No pie charts today or newspaper clippings. I'm missing them

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Except we can vote those we are not happy with OUT......not so with the EU.

My points still stand with any government that gets in, I guess what I've been trying to say is I think we live in a corrupt world and see no hope in things ever changing, whether we're in, out, governments in, out, shake it all about, it doesn't matter, the tax payers are just pawns in a huge global game of power.

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[portslade seagull]

Im struggling to understand why the remain camp are making such a MASSIVE deal about the precise exact amount we pay into the EU when its such a miniscule element in the whole wider picture.
Its relentless, every debate they try and swing issues back onto this very sole subject. Its as though they have simply run out of answers on everything else.
£35 million a day?£25 million a day?£20 million a day? who fracking cares in the grand scheme of things. The correct amount is obscenely massive whatever it is.

When this figure is put alongside the value of Democracy, Sovereignty, Accountability, Security, the burden of uncontrolled EU immigration on infrastructure and quality of life it becomes what it is …….a pointless, meaningless and inconsequential economic statistic.

£1 a day let alone millions per day is too much to be a member of this disgusting filth.

They have gone very quiet on the 4300 figure.

 

[portslade seagull]

Lol wanted to thumbs up button can't

 

[The Rivet]

Remainers are going to loose I think. The Lemming ideology is going to make for a few depressed people soon. Delicious thought.

 

[jaghebby]

Now this bloke has passion....go on. Definitely a racist this bloke.

The simple facts are that European migrants who have arrived since 2000 are, on average, better educated than the UK-born labour force. In 2011, 25% of migrants from the A8 eastern European countries had a university degree compared with 62% for those from the A15 countries in western and southern Europe and 42% for migrants from outside Europe. The detailed figures show that even in the case of Poland and other east European countries, the educational qualifications of those coming to the UK have increased in the past decade from 6% university graduates in 2004 to 25% in 2011.

You might also note that the education gap between migrants and the British labour force is growing: the proportion defined as with “low education” is 53% of the British workforce, 8-13% of recent EU migrants and 15% of those from outside Europe. perhaps this says more about our education system than the EU. Guy in the video says that migrants are taking jobs to the detrement of UK workers but the facts don't bear this out!

Since January-March 2010, the post-recession low-point for employment, the number of UK-born workers in employment has risen by 1.1m to a new record level of 26.25m. Not only was the number a record, but so, in 2015, was the proportion of UK-born people aged 16-64 in employment, 74.3%. In the six years to the first quarter of this year. there was a rise from 70.7% to 74.6% in the UK-born employment rate.

There was, it should be said, also a net rise of 633,000 in the number of EU migrants from the new eastern European member countries in work - more than 80% of those of working age do so - and one of 309,000 in those from long-standing EU counries in western Europe. But this rise occurred alongside, not instead of, a sustained increase in UK-born employment.

Employment among UK nationals rose even more, by over 1.5m, in the six years to the first quarter accounting for two-thirds of the overall rise in employment It has also never been higher as a percentage of the 16-64 workforce. Could there have been a bigger increase in UK-born or UK nationals' employment? Maybe a little, but probably not by much. Given that a significant proportion of the 16-64 workforce is in full-time education and not working, or looking after children and other family members, or unable to work for other reasons, the current UK-born employment rate is probably quite close to the maximum.

The majority of EU migrants to Britain would still qualify under skilled-labour criteria under a points-based system. But this additional layer of bureaucracy, whether the onus would be on workers or those seeking to recruit them, would make it harder for firms to fill gaps in their workforces. Those who say they would reduce red tape would merely tangle business up in more of it. And Britain’s labour market would become more inflexible.

Therefore, we need migration for the economy to grow and prosperity to increase. For me the migration debate has been orchestrated by the leave campaign to pander to peoples fears and prejudices when the truth is very much more different. Therefore, I strongly believe we are better of in!

 

[portslade seagull]

My points still stand with any government that gets in, I guess what I've been trying to say is I think we live in a corrupt world and see no hope in things ever changing, whether we're in, out, governments in, out, shake it all about, it doesn't matter, the tax payers are just pawns in a huge global game of power.

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And always will be sadly

 

[CP 0 3 BHA]

Putin will be rubbing his hands with glee - and getting a message to his thugs in France to keep stirring the pot.

 

[The Rivet]

TV going on about and showing video of Gordon Brown.
The buggerist that shafted a nation in Lisbon.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

And always will be sadly

This is why I find it incredible that people feel so passionately about something which however its made up with all these shows n shit, ultimately have no power over

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[jaghebby]

Surely Dyson moved to Malaysia because he was sick of the restrictions of working from a country within the EU, now the shackles and rules are off. So he left Europe and hopes we leave as well.....that is why he supports Brexit...that simple.

I rather think he could build his machines a lot cheaper because the workers have less protections than they do in the EU - thus he makes more profit! So will he bring back his manufacturing base if we leave the EU I think you would be a fool to believe that!

 

[jaghebby]

If Stephen Hawking says we need to stay then I am for remain!

 

[Bold Seagull]

I'm fine, just get tired of the continual putting down of our youth and our citizens......the immigrants do this, they do these jobs etc, you keep bigging them up and i will try the same with our people.
Seems to be a left trait to stick up for everyone bar English...then British.

It appeared that 'our comedian' and 'our students' we're getting short shrift from you and Ernest though, are you only sticking up for 'our people' as long as they vote leave!?

 

[Maldini]

The simple facts are that European migrants who have arrived since 2000 are, on average, better educated than the UK-born labour force. In 2011, 25% of migrants from the A8 eastern European countries had a university degree compared with 62% for those from the A15 countries in western and southern Europe and 42% for migrants from outside Europe. The detailed figures show that even in the case of Poland and other east European countries, the educational qualifications of those coming to the UK have increased in the past decade from 6% university graduates in 2004 to 25% in 2011.
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Is the standard of degrees abroad lower than the UK?Is it easier to obtain qualifications over there?These are important questions when you post a thread like that.I knew a Filipino girl who was qualified to work as a dentist over there but not in the UK for example.

 

[The Rivet]

My points still stand with any government that gets in, I guess what I've been trying to say is I think we live in a corrupt world and see no hope in things ever changing, whether we're in, out, governments in, out, shake it all about, it doesn't matter, the tax payers are just pawns in a huge global game of power.

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Sounds like defeatism. So at the risk of being branded Xenophobic I am still going to post this from one of the greatest Britains. What the hell has happened to this country?

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Sounds like defeatism. So at the risk of being branded Xenophobic I am still going to post this from one of the greatest Britains. What the hell has happened to this country?

No its called realism[emoji106]

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[The Rivet]

My loving people, we have been persuaded by some, that are careful of our safety, to take heed how we commit ourselves to armed multitudes, for fear of treachery; but I assure you, I do not desire to live to distrust my faithful and loving people. Let tyrants fear; I have always so behaved myself that, under God, I have placed my chiefest strength and safeguard in the loyal hearts and good will of my subjects. And therefore I am come amongst you at this time, not as for my recreation or sport, but being resolved, in the midst and heat of the battle, to live or die amongst you all; to lay down, for my God, and for my kingdom, and for my people, my honor and my blood, even the dust. I know I have but the body of a weak and feeble woman; but I have the heart of a king, and of a king of England, too; and think foul scorn that Parma or Spain, or any prince of Europe, should dare to invade the borders of my realms: to which, rather than any dishonor should grow by me, I myself will take up arms; I myself will be your general, judge, and rewarder of every one of your virtues in the field. I know already, by your forwardness, that you have deserved rewards and crowns; and we do assure you, on the word of a prince, they shall be duly paid you. In the mean my lieutenant general shall be in my stead, than whom never prince commanded a more noble and worthy subject; not doubting by your obedience to my general, by your concord in the camp, and by your valor in the field, we shall shortly have a famous victory over the enemies of my God, of my kingdom, and of my people.

Queen Elizabeth I - 1588

 

[jaghebby]

Is the standard of degrees abroad lower than the UK?Is it easier to obtain qualifications over there?These are important questions when you post a thread like that.I knew a Filipino girl who was qualified to work as a dentist over there but not in the UK for example.

So you are saying that the standard of degrees in Germany, France, Spain, Netherlands is lower than ours? Well that seems to me a typical leavers response! However, doesn't alter the fact that job creation in this country has far out stripped the rest of the EU and that employment of UK nationals is at record levels and this is alongside the employment of migrants, rather than has been strongly suggested by Brexiteers and the guy in the video, that they put British workers out of jobs. This patently untrue and completely false.

 

[Bold Seagull]

My loving people, we have been persuaded by some, that are careful of our safety, to take heed how we commit ourselves to armed multitudes, for fear of treachery; but I assure you, I do not desire to live to distrust my faithful and loving people. Let tyrants fear; I have always so behaved myself that, under God, I have placed my chiefest strength and safeguard in the loyal hearts and good will of my subjects. And therefore I am come amongst you at this time, not as for my recreation or sport, but being resolved, in the midst and heat of the battle, to live or die amongst you all; to lay down, for my God, and for my kingdom, and for my people, my honor and my blood, even the dust. I know I have but the body of a weak and feeble woman; but I have the heart of a king, and of a king of England, too; and think foul scorn that Parma or Spain, or any prince of Europe, should dare to invade the borders of my realms: to which, rather than any dishonor should grow by me, I myself will take up arms; I myself will be your general, judge, and rewarder of every one of your virtues in the field. I know already, by your forwardness, that you have deserved rewards and crowns; and we do assure you, on the word of a prince, they shall be duly paid you. In the mean my lieutenant general shall be in my stead, than whom never prince commanded a more noble and worthy subject; not doubting by your obedience to my general, by your concord in the camp, and by your valor in the field, we shall shortly have a famous victory over the enemies of my God, of my kingdom, and of my people.

Queen Elizabeth I - 1588

Interesting quote, did she not form alliances with and aid both the Dutch and French in the defeat of the Spanish?