[Politics] Brexit

[Gwylan]

Despite all the difficulties the government is having, Labour are still way behind

Really?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/17/labour-gains-lea

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ur-point-lead-opinion-polls-Brexit-drama.html

 

[GT49er]

Really?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/17/labour-gains-lea

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ur-point-lead-opinion-polls-Brexit-drama.html

Labour always seem to do worse in 'the real thing' than in the polls, though. Often blamed on the 'Shy Tory' vote.


Still, either way we won't know unless or until we get a GE.

 

[mikeyjh]

This is a brilliant piece of writing

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/the-lies-and-liars-of-brexit/

Good stuff - I disagree with the comments about respecting the people who voted to leave. Having already established that they were lied to, that they clearly could not possibly understand what was on offer (given that we still haven't even started to negotiate the future state) then the respectful thing to do is to offer them a new, better informed choice.

 

[pb21]

This is a brilliant piece of writing

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/the-lies-and-liars-of-brexit/

“Best possible deal” doesn’t mean “good deal”, of course. It isn’t a good deal, in the sense of one that delivers significant benefits. But it is better than all the alternatives – or more correctly, less bad than all the other bad alternatives.

I don't agree with the premise that we necessarily have to accept this supposed least worst option solely because of the vote two and a half years ago.

 

[Is it PotG?]

I don't agree with the premise that we necessarily have to accept this supposed least worst option solely because of the vote two and a half years ago.

I know, the vote was Leave or Stay, and Leave won. How odd that this might then have to take place.

 

[Hugo Rune]

The respectful thing to do is to offer them a new, better informed choice.

How about that those who voted for the principal, voted with emotion and fear and voted on one thing only; leave. It’s clear that the areas in this country with the least immigration voted for Brexit in the highest numbers to stop free movement of people, they want our borders secure. Many of them knew that thousands of jobs would be lost and the economy would shrink dramatically, they were prepared for this to happen, they were prepared to lose their own jobs and livelihoods to save the nation. How many leavers do you think actually want an informed choice? They voted to leave, that’s all the information they needed.

 

[Gwylan]

Labour always seem to do worse in 'the real thing' than in the polls, though. Often blamed on the 'Shy Tory' vote.


Still, either way we won't know unless or until we get a GE.

Except last time: the opinion pollsters have changed their methodology to adjust for the 'Shy Tory' effect - there was a theory that they over-compensated last election. We shall see next time round.

 

[pb21]

I know, the vote was Leave or Stay, and Leave won. How odd that this might then have to take place.

Why does it have to?

Hypothetically the situation maybe that there was irrefutable proof that the economy would definitely be 20% worse and people would definitely suffer. But we have to proceed anyway. That would be stupidity beyond belief.

That isn't the situation, but the situation is different to what it was two and a half years ago. You could argue that we should proceed on the basis of the vote and everything that has gone on since and that this is the best/least worst option, but there is no reason why we have to.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Why does it have to?

Hypothetically the situation maybe that there was irrefutable proof that the economy would definitely be 20% worse and people would definitely suffer. But we have to proceed anyway. That would be stupidity beyond belief.

That isn't the situation, but the situation is different to what it was two and a half years ago. You could argue that we should proceed on the basis of the vote and everything that has gone on since and that this is the best/least worst option, but there is no reason why we have to.

Many businesses would be worse off due to higher corporation taxes should Jezza and Co. get in. People will still vote for it, and expect it to happen should they win.

 

[pb21]

Many businesses would be worse off due to higher corporation taxes should Jezza and Co. get in. People will still vote for it, and expect it to happen should they win.

Why does the result of the first vote necessarily mean that we have to leave?

 

[Is it PotG?]

Why does the result of the Referendum Vote necessarily mean that we have to leave?

OK, you win

 

[Frutos]

Supposed to be getting us out of the EU, can't even get out of her own car:

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsPolitics/status/1072463780007809024?s=19

 

[nicko31]

So 17.4m Brits voted for us essentially become a rogue state did they?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Why does the result of the first vote necessarily mean that we have to leave?

good point, why have one in the first place
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

So 17.4m Brits voted for us essentially become a rogue state did they?

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WHERE DOES IT SAY A ROGUE STATE
regards
DR

 

[nicko31]

Really?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/17/labour-gains-lea

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ur-point-lead-opinion-polls-Brexit-drama.html

Corbyn's Labour gaining a lead over the Tories feels like Albion taking the lead on the road in the Premier League, the opposing team have to be sh1te

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

What must the world be thinking
https://youtu.be/UQiYm9DPnyY

MOD EDIT: entirely unnecessary comment.

Infraction issued.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Supposed to be getting us out of the EU, can't even get out of her own car:

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsPolitics/status/1072463780007809024?s=19

There's your front page photo right there

 

[nicko31]

WHERE DOES IT SAY A ROGUE STATE
regards
DR

That's what breach of the GFA would make us, not to mention his proposed refusal to pay the divorce bill. Britain would be in the dock and would lose any remaining credibility in Europe

Still less Latvians, it will be worth it

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

That's what breach of the GFA would make us, not to mention his proposed refusal to pay the divorce bill. Britain would be in the dock and would lose any remaining credibility in Europe

Still less Latvians, it will be worth it

would , could ,maybe ,if
regards
DR