[Politics] Brexit

[JC Footy Genius]

The economic benefit derives from unfettered access to the internal market. Any trade with Europe benefits from this unconditional access, it also provide recourse to address unfair treatment of British goods. Why can we not export beef to America? Because they banned it all after the BSE scare. What can we do about it? Nothing. In Europe we can challenge unfair treatment.

The total amount of all EU trade contributes to the economic benefit of EU membership. Moreover there are economic benefits very difficult to put a price on. Increased tourism from the EU would be one, that we receive the second largest amount of EU science and technology funding which supports British science is another. There is also the fact that EU migrants pay more into the system than they take out. The IFS said leaving the EU would in effect cost a further two years of austerity.

See also:

That's all very interesting, get back to me when you have a definitive factual number. Surprised Gorgeous George hasn't just made one up

 

[The Rivet]

We're actually physically part of Europe so the EU will want to preserve rights and benefits for its citizens. This is principally the right to free movement. We will want to preserve some rights and benefits for our citizens. This is principally access to the internal market, the largest and richest market in the world that supports 3 million UK jobs. In order for everyone to get what they want we will have to negotiate. There are models used by other countries which serve as templates for our own negotiations, the Swiss model and Norway model are two such models. Both of these models require free movement, accepting EU regulation, and paying a fee.


I'm very interested to hear more about this unique British model but unfortunately the Leave campaign have not actually set out any model at all, or even provided a timeline of how EU Brexit negotiations will secure access to the internal market and protect British jobs. Gove said that he can't tell us how many jobs we will lose and cannot guarantee that jobs will not be lost. I guess that's okay for him and Boris, however, as they are already set up nicely.

Right! Time for bed says Zeberdee..............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[The Rivet]

This is all obviously a load of sh!t copied and pasted from Facebook and therefore if you looked into it ALL of it would probably be made up. But the Goering and European Economic Community line stands out. What rubbish. Do you have a SHRED of evidence to support that? Or are you, as all Quitter Little Englanders seem to be doing, trying to associate the EU with Hitler?

Wow, just Wow! How ignorant.

 

[Steve in Japan]

Just caught up with the Andrew Neil interview with George Osborne.

That was tough questioning backed up with recordings showing prior policies, statements or objectives subsequently missed, proven wrong or simply ignored. I would give George maybe 1 out of 5. The 1 is for not flouncing out when shown up as a lying tool (again). In some ways George got off quite lightly as Andrew Neil kindly refrained from assessing George's track record as Chancellor.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

So what if you have just moved and you have just got the keys, knowing you have a day to register the new address, you have been go go all day, pop online in the evening and you are denied. What a Numpty?

Small point of order but if you were registered to vote at your old address you could still vote ! These are people who have failed to register at all. So even if they knew they were moving at some point in the 3 months they could have still registered to vote using the address they then used. If they didn't they were either lazy, stupid or generally apathetic ..... otherwise known as numpties,

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

Wow, just Wow! How ignorant.

Come on then, where is the evidence Goering coined the term
European Economic Community in 1940?

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

Go to bed you sound pissed!

I suppose that sounds better than rude, especially as I don't drink. Take some side to read some of the projects we are involved in

http://ec.europa.eu/research/infocentre/all_headlines_en.cfm?item=All&subitem=&start=11

 

[The Rivet]

Come on then, where is the evidence Goering coined the term
European Economic Community in 1940?

Lol, you do your own research son, don't expect me to be your personal google....

 

[5ways]

That's all very interesting, get back to me when you have a definitive factual number. Surprised Gorgeous George hasn't just made one up

Making up numbers is best left for the Leave camp, I see £350m is still on Leave's twitter header and battle bus.


This says £214b in terms of exports alone. Add to that the value we reap from EU migrants, inward EU investment etc etc and it is many billions more. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3db869a4-b81d-11e3-92f9-00144feabdc0.html

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

Small point of order but if you were registered to vote at your old address you could still vote !

Really - in what way would I have to drive back to say London if I moved to Brighton from London, I don't understand how you can vote at previous address sounds a bit dodgy

It was just a point about some people need to update the system on deadline day for many reasons, if part of the system doesn't work then that doesn't make them a numpty. I doubt we are talking many people, as many have said the more registered the better for our so called democracy

 

[Hampster Gull]

Vote extension. Can it be challenged legally?

Why would anyone want to do that? The more people who vote the more democratic this is. We should want all to vote.

 

[pastafarian]

We're actually physically part of Europe so the EU will want to preserve rights and benefits for its citizens. This is principally the right to free movement. We will want to preserve some rights and benefits for our citizens. This is principally access to the internal market, the largest and richest market in the world that supports 3 million UK jobs. In order for everyone to get what they want we will have to negotiate. There are models used by other countries which serve as templates for our own negotiations, the Swiss model and Norway model are two such models. Both of these models require free movement, accepting EU regulation, and paying a fee.

I'm very interested to hear more about this unique British model but unfortunately the Leave campaign have not actually set out any model at all, or even provided a timeline of how EU Brexit negotiations will secure access to the internal market and protect British jobs. Gove said that he can't tell us how many jobs we will lose and cannot guarantee that jobs will not be lost. I guess that's okay for him and Boris, however, as they are already set up nicely.

You will be able to see the unique British model and exactly what is in it after the negotiations have finished.
Guessing what it might or might not actually be when everyone has finished chatting is more your area of expertise

I am far more interested in when the remain side will let us in on their own personal secret and reveal the list of reforms they want that will fix broken Europe,are these reforms even achievable? do they even exist? Its a bit rich saying we must remain in to fix it when you wont tell anyone what you are going to fix.
its almost as if this premise is invented false wafflecake.....

 

[The Rivet]

Really - in what way would I have to drive back to say London if I moved to Brighton from London, I don't understand how you can vote at previous address sounds a bit dodgy

It was just a point about some people need to update the system on deadline day for many reasons, if part of the system doesn't work then that doesn't make them a numpty. I doubt we are talking many people, as many have said the more registered the better for our so called democracy

Sorry, that's pathetic! What sort of self obsessed idiot do you need to be to keep championing people who think it's not important to plan their registration. Total bollocks.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Really - in what way would I have to drive back to say London if I moved to Brighton from London, I don't understand how you can vote at previous address sounds a bit dodgy

It was just a point about some people need to update the system on deadline day for many reasons, if part of the system doesn't work then that doesn't make them a numpty. I doubt we are talking many people, as many have said the more registered the better for our so called democracy

If you knew you were moving on or around the deadline then here's an idea .... use your postal vote. Besides, you've missed the key part of my post in that this people that have never been registered to vote before. It's a bit like the people who moan about the tax return system not working for the last five minutes before returns are due ..... yet they have had MONTHS to deal with it. And every year the system slows, the news stories come out of people missing the deadline and yet there are still stupid people who leave it to the last minute.

 

[The Rivet]

Why would anyone want to do that? The more people who vote the more democratic this is. We should want all to vote.

Depends on the result doesn't it. Perception, argument (legal or otherwise) could follow on both sides. It's uncharted legal waters.

 

[pastafarian]

if anyone is interested Andrew Neil tore Osborne several new ones over free movement,Turkey and the false £4300 figure
bbc1 wed 7.30pm

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

Lol, you do your own research son, don't expect me to be your personal google....

Again. Please try and not live up to your name as The Thicket and post ANYTHING supporting that Goering coined the term European Economic Community in 1940.

 

[The Rivet]

if anyone is interested Andrew Neil tore Osborne several new ones over free movement,Turkey and the false £4300 figure
bbc1 wed 7.30pm

Remainers tend not to defend these car crashes. They choose to ignore them.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

So did I, apparently the initial private/ public funding fell apart so it had to be 'nationalised' (EU taxpayers money?) as well as China, Norway and Switzerland are part of the project so not exclusively an EU project. But to be fair it looks promising, the European Space Agency also has agreements with Canada so not sure EU membership is a prerequisite to playing a significant role in this important industry. As usual what is claimed as an exclusive benefit of EU membership is not quite what it seems.

But as a scientist, researcher, medical specialist, charity, developer etc etc why would I not want to be part of a community that helps us all develop. I get that some people may want to come out and keep our money and anything else to ourselves, just not sure this is what makes us as people or a nation, we would just be an isolated bit part, that can spend our money on our own sweets and not share them.

Not sure how much the debate on here is considering all that the EU does that benefits us all as bing part of it. It seems to just enjoy name calling at people they don't like and blowing raspberries when they cant be arsed to take on board benefits as well as the negatives. We are a sovereign nation and part of a huge union that does so much together.

http://ec.europa.eu/programmes/horizon2020/en/newsroom

 

[Buzzer]

I doubt we are talking many people, as many have said the more registered the better for our so called democracy

You'd be surprised. According to the BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36480764

According to the government's data website, 525,000 people applied to register to vote during the day - 170,000 were aged 25 to 34, 132,000 under the age of 25 and 100,000 aged 35 to 44. It also shows that the peak users came at 22:15 BST when 50,711 people were using the service at the same time. There were 26,000 people on the site at 23:55 BST and 20,416 people using the site at 12:01 BST, just after the deadline.

Half a million people - although it's only 1 or 2 percent of the total possible electorate. Completely agree about more people voting the better.