[Politics] Brexit

[larus]

I can’t be arsed. But everything is in this thread; go look for yourself. The general gist, like many Remainers suggested, is that overall cost of living will go up; it has. Inflation will rise, it has. Mortgages will increase, they have. House prices will fall, they have https://www.theguardian.com/busines...cord-biggest-month-on-month-fall-in-six-years. The economy will tank, it has. You might use employment as a measure but you are (probably deliberately) ignoring the bigger picture; the economy is, overall, weaker and less productive than before the referendum https://www.ft.com/content/cf51e840-7147-11e7-93ff-99f383b09ff9 . I never said anything about a recession, but if you want to bring this into the mix British manufacturing is now in recession.

Oh dear. Another fail, by the king of failure.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45446148

Never mind, I’m sure one of your predictions will be right, sometime, eventually. Just you wait.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

“He knows he’s ****ed up massively. Now he’s working out how to get himself out of the mess.”

Good Lord, even as a rabid remoaner, even I can see that article is a bit flaky to say the least.
But, due to Johnsons past and my hatred of him, it would not surprise me in the least if it were true.
It's all a game to him and millions fell for it, but he did it all for totally selfish reasons and looks like he picked the wrong horse to bet on.
The thought of Johnson or Mogg leading us brings me out in a cold sweat.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Quick question to the many people on this thread suffering from acute symptoms of 'Brexit Anxiety Disorder'*.

Would any of you have issues with me forwarding a link of this thread to Dr. Philip Corr, professor of psychology and behavioural economics at the University of London, and Dr. Simon Stuart, a clinical psychologist?

Perhaps a better understanding of this condition might be possible and provide useful in helping many of you towards a path of recovery/closure.

*https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-anxiety-disorder-britain-middle-class/

Tick Tock

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Matt Kelly, editor of The New European, revealed on Twitter.........

Oh right-oh. Good impartial journalism then!

My link is to the London Economic.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Edited,

 

[GT49er]

Your Dutch and French friends.......have you already called them to scare them?

I'm afraid that looks quite likely................................maybe not for the poster personally, but certainly for a lot of remainers generally. They have repeatedly sent out the (false) message to perfectly nice people living and working here that all the nasty people who voted for Brexit want them all kicked out. I'm sure there's a few nutters out there who do want just that - but 17M of us? Don't make me laugh!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Jesus wept
Is there no end to your twitter tomfoolery.
That headline is thoroughly misleading and so are you.

Adonis asked Mogg a question via open letter

"On free movement of people, is it your position that there would be no preferential treatment for EU migrants after Brexit, but just one legal regime applying equally to all immigrants?"
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...b-rees-mogg-what-is-no-deal-exactly-zqg3gh6r7

Mogg replied via letter

"I do not believe there should be any special terms for EU migrants. Once we have left the EU there will be no legal basis to treat them differently from migrants from non –EU countries."
https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/fc5611_cb15b5bc1cd34cd0af41deae5e4e330e.pdf

Clearly referring to after we have left.
No mention of no right to stay no mention of all those already here having rights taken away.
You are not much of a mate to your dutch and french friends.......have you already called them to scare them?

I usually try to refrain from personal comments, unlike yourself, but this time I will make an exception. You truly are a sneering pathetic person. My friends don't need me to scare them. I wouldn't do so in any case, but they are worried.

You've only got to look at what happened to the mayor of Ipswich.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-44227122

 

[pastafarian]

I usually try to refrain from personal comments, unlike yourself, but this time I will make an exception. You truly are a sneering pathetic person. My friends don't need me to scare them. I wouldn't do so in any case, but they are worried.

I dont mind sneering at people that deliberately spread twitter bullshit. You and the others that read bollocks, believe it without question and spread it on need held to account.

 

[Gwylan]

Clearly referring to after we have left.
No mention of no right to stay no mention of all those already here having rights taken away.

You're massively missing the point here. All non-EU people in this country legally will have either a visa or a right to remain document. EU citizens living here will, generally, have neither. So, on the day we leave JRM is saying they will be treated just like any non-EU citizens without a visa or a right to remain (and will be liable to be deported).

So, the headline is perfectly accurate.

 

[Gwylan]

Good Lord, even as a rabid remoaner, even I can see that article is a bit flaky to say the least.
But, due to Johnsons past and my hatred of him, it would not surprise me in the least if it were true.

It's a ridiculous article - a supposed comment from an anonymous friend of a friend. The magazine should be embarrassed about printing it

 

[WATFORD zero]

I usually try to refrain from personal comments, unlike yourself, but this time I will make an exception. You truly are a sneering pathetic person.

I think you are being unfair to pastafarian. I believe you'll find that amongst the 40 something porn and puff brigade who spend their nights 'nuts deep in battlefield 1 with their boys' he's considered quite the little socialite

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I think you are being unfair to pastafarian. I believe you'll find that amongst the 40 something porn and puff brigade who spend their nights 'nuts deep in battlefield 1 with their boys' he's considered quite the little socialite

I wouldn't have a clue that your second sentence actually means.

 

[pastafarian]

You're massively missing the point here. All non-EU people in this country legally will have either a visa or a right to remain document. EU citizens living here will, generally, have neither. So, on the day we leave JRM is saying they will be treated just like any non-EU citizens without a visa or a right to remain (and will be liable to be deported).

So, the headline is perfectly accurate.

No it isnt, its deliberately worded to cause as much fear as possible.
Its obvious Moggs response to the question posed is referring to a time when the implementation period is ended and by then those already here will have their documentation secured according to the already agreed protocols that will have legal standing.
After everything is done and dusted new EU migrant arrivals should be treated equally with non EU migrant arrivals

 

[Baldseagull]

Jesus wept
Is there no end to your twitter tomfoolery.
That headline is thoroughly misleading and so are you.

Adonis asked Mogg a question via open letter

"On free movement of people, is it your position that there would be no preferential treatment for EU migrants after Brexit, but just one legal regime applying equally to all immigrants?"
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...b-rees-mogg-what-is-no-deal-exactly-zqg3gh6r7

Mogg replied via letter

"I do not believe there should be any special terms for EU migrants. Once we have left the EU there will be no legal basis to treat them differently from migrants from non –EU countries."
https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/fc5611_cb15b5bc1cd34cd0af41deae5e4e330e.pdf

Clearly referring to after we have left.
No mention of no right to stay no mention of all those already here having rights taken away.
You are not much of a mate to your dutch and french friends.......have you already called them to scare them?

You are right, he makes no distinction between those here now, and those arriving after we have left. Neither does Lord Adonis' in his question. Given that Rees-Mogg is usually quite precise in his language, I would assume that this is not accidental, and that when he uses the phrase EU migrants, he means all EU migrants, whenever they arrived.
The whole question Lord Adonis asks is in regard to a No Deal Brexit, JRM states there would be no legal basis to treat EU migrants differently than any other from anywhere else, if you are correct and JRM is talking about future migrants only, what is the legal basis under which those currently here, could remain?

 

[Baldseagull]

I'm afraid that looks quite likely................................maybe not for the poster personally, but certainly for a lot of remainers generally. They have repeatedly sent out the (false) message to perfectly nice people living and working here that all the nasty people who voted for Brexit want them all kicked out. I'm sure there's a few nutters out there who do want just that - but 17M of us? Don't make me laugh!

May I refer you to a reply I made to Pastafarian above.

 

[Baldseagull]

No it isnt, its deliberately worded to cause as much fear as possible.
Its obvious Moggs response to the question posed is referring to a time when the implementation period is ended and by then those already here will have their documentation secured according to the already agreed protocols that will have legal standing.
After everything is done and dusted new EU migrant arrivals should be treated equally with non EU migrant arrivals

No implementation period for a no deal, it just happens.

 

[pastafarian]

You are right, he makes no distinction between those here now, and those arriving after we have left. Neither does Lord Adonis' in his question. Given that Rees-Mogg is usually quite precise in his language, I would assume that this is not accidental, and that when he uses the phrase EU migrants, he means all EU migrants, whenever they arrived.
The whole question Lord Adonis asks is in regard to a No Deal Brexit, JRM states there would be no legal basis to treat EU migrants differently than any other from anywhere else, if you are correct and JRM is talking about future migrants only, what is the legal basis under which those currently here, could remain?

The legal basis in that context is the withdrawal agreement, as he is clear at the beginning of the letter his preference is for a canada style deal not a no deal deal.
If a canada style trade deal is on the cards in the political text of the future relationship section it means there is a withdrawal agreement and therefore a transition/implementation along with legal text on EU citizens already here

 

[GT49er]

May I refer you to a reply I made to Pastafarian above.

It's late on a Friday night and I'm tired (no, not tired as a newt either!) but "no legal basis to treat EU migrants differently than any other from anywhere else" does not seem to me to be a call to deport the lot.

"what is the legal basis under which those currently here, could remain?"

What is the legal basis that we will be kicking out thousands of perfectly decent people - EU citizens or otherwise? There isn't one, of course. We don't do that, and we won't. If Brexit makes it easier to get rid of the small criminal element amongst people who have come here in the belief that there are rich pickings for crime, that would be fine. Do you have any objections to that?

 

[pastafarian]

May I refer you to a reply I made to Pastafarian above.

Just to add,I think you are wrong on this, as [MENTION=12935]GT49er[/MENTION] pointed out its quite ridiculous to suggest 17m people want EU nationals already here deported or have no right to stay. This will be reflected in the politicians. Im confident there will be a deal and therefore legal standing for those here to remain, im equally confident even in the event of a no deal there will be swift unilateral moves to legally secure the status of those already here. I would not be happy, as I presume most leavers would also not be if there wasn’t.

 

[Baldseagull]

The legal basis in that context is the withdrawal agreement, as he is clear at the beginning of the letter his preference is for a canada style deal not a no deal deal.
If a canada style trade deal is on the cards in the political text of the future relationship section it means there is a withdrawal agreement and therefore a transition/implementation along with legal text on EU citizens already here

It is clear that all the answers he has given to Lord Adonis, are in regard to a No Deal exit, yes he states that he would prefer a Canada style FTA, but his answers are all answered in the context in which they were asked, i.e. No Deal, an option he has repeatedly said would be preferable to Chequers, or any other deal that linked us to EU customs, and the reason the questions were asked.