[Politics] Brexit

[The Clamp]

I used to cringe at that programme and his character

Maaaate, Don't you know you're only allowed to look at transfer threads tonight. [MENTION=12935]GT49er[/MENTION] told me that while, uhm while he was, uhm...on this thread. You couldn't make it up.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Maaaate, Don't you know you're only allowed to look at transfer threads tonight. [MENTION=12935]GT49er[/MENTION] told me that while, uhm while he was, uhm...on this thread. You couldn't make it up.

Shit, I missed that dictate from him. Will scuttle along

 

[The Clamp]

Shit, I missed that dictate from him. Will scuttle along

Please do so.Bad, bad fan. You clearly don't support. I hope to God you haven't left the screen to wee, cook dinner or talk to anyone tonight.

 

[pastafarian]

One thing though, about my 'final realisation that we are leaving'. To prove to us all that you are not actually a furious bullshitter with a nasty turn of phrase can you please point me in the direction of one example of me ever saying that I don't think we will leave the EU?

Couldn’t quite use the full line could you……. “you are finally realising we are leaving, and your frustration that you have run out of options to to stop it”
Always having to do a little bit of editing to suit like the good lib dem Europhile weasel you are. Its quite clear from your postings you are resigned to leaving now as your options to stop it, which you have enthusiastically pushed for, have run out and did quite a while ago.
But you are correct in that you have never been a “Brexit wont happen” loon like Watford or clamp. But I have never accused you of that.

 

[pastafarian]

there are conditions on freedom of movement even now.

What are they?

Conditions of EU free movement are contained in the treaties and in directives, regulations and ECJ case law. You could google the conditions(they are readily available) rather than still staying uninformed after all this time and only now asking for someone else to fill in your missing information.

 

[pastafarian]

Farage takes credit for Brexit but in fact he had nothing to do with it. It was Cameron who made it happen. Poshboy city banker, Farage, merely shoulder barged his way into the show for his own promotion.
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More bollocks from you.
If it hadn’t been for Farage Brexit would never have happened, if it hadn’t been for the self loathing idiots who tried to silence him and shut him up over the years his support would not have increased and brexit would not have happened……(give yourself a pat on the back,you directly helped brexit happen,you know who you are).
Farage was rallying against the EU before Cameron was even an MP and whilst Cameron was still working at Carlton TV.
Cameron didn’t make it happen, Parliament voted to allow for the referendum and the voters made it happen.
Dunce cap in the post,

 

[Westdene Seagull]

What are they? What others do you want to add?

How ionic - when you voted remain you didn't know what you were voting for ! As per another post - read the treaties.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

I know that we continue to conduct a lively debate on an hourly basis but it's gone rather quiet at the formal level of negotiation. Given the importance of the matter to both sides and the proximity of D Day, one might expect just a bit more...…..effort? I'd hate to think that we are sliding to some sort of huge feck-up simply because both sides couldn't be arsed to interrupt their summer hols,

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Here's a challenge for our Brexiteers. Aside from the rhetoric about getting back control, the will of the people, sovereignty etc (and I'm not denying these are important) what good things have come out of Brexit so far?


I don't think it would be hard to list some of the negatives; indeed we see these - the divisiveness and sheer nastiness - on this very thread. But what are the benefits as revealed so far? (And I don't think you can include a bumpy journey on the way to a wonderful destination as this has yet to be established.)


I've lifted up my dunces cap and I've scratched my head and can't really identify any.

 

[pastafarian]

I know that we continue to conduct a lively debate on an hourly basis but it's gone rather quiet at the formal level of negotiation. Given the importance of the matter to both sides and the proximity of D Day, one might expect just a bit more...…..effort? I'd hate to think that we are sliding to some sort of huge feck-up simply because both sides couldn't be arsed to interrupt their summer hols,

In fairness here, i have read from a number of articles,(no i cant remember which ones) that there are numerous civil servants on both sides hammering out the minutia of specific areas and articles on a daily basis behind the scenes. We the people get to see what has been negotiated for weeks maybe months when the politicians have a weekly summit and it comes into the public eye. Its the same with big world trade agreements, we see a summit but civil servants have been working behind the scenes 24/7.
It would be a bit naive to think talks were not going on non stop outside of the summits that the big politicians attend

 

[pastafarian]

Here's a challenge for our Brexiteers. Aside from the rhetoric about getting back control, the will of the people, sovereignty etc (and I'm not denying these are important) what good things have come out of Brexit so far?


I don't think it would be hard to list some of the negatives; indeed we see these - the divisiveness and sheer nastiness - on this very thread. But what are the benefits as revealed so far? (And I don't think you can include a bumpy journey on the way to a wonderful destination as this has yet to be established.)


I've lifted up my dunces cap and I've scratched my head and can't really identify any.

Brexit hasnt happened yet, ask the question after we have left.
But so far as far as NSC is concerned we know who the undemocratic loons are, its now on record and their brush is forever tarnished.
And fruitcake and liar status on some users is now documented as fact too.
Its a wonderful purge of idiots.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

In fairness here, i have read from a number of articles,(no i cant remember which ones) that there are numerous civil servants on both sides hammering out the minutia of specific areas and articles on a daily basis behind the scenes. We the people get to see what has been negotiated for weeks maybe months when the politicians have a weekly summit and it comes into the public eye. Its the same with big world trade agreements, we see a summit but civil servants have been working behind the scenes 24/7.
It would be a bit naive to think talks were not going on non stop outside of the summits that the big politicians attend

Fair point - I hope you are right.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Brexit hasnt happened yet, ask the question after we have left.
But so far as far as NSC is concerned we know who the undemocratic loons are, its now on record and their brush is forever tarnished.
And fruitcake and liar status on some users is now documented as fact too.
Its a wonderful purge of idiots.

Oh dear: this rather proves my point.

 

[pastafarian]

Oh dear: this rather proves my point.

No it doest
To paraphrase your original question

what good things have come out of Brexit so far?........as this has yet to be established.

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Flawed question, you are a typical remoaner (not the same as remainer), you want proof of how the country has benefited so far from leaving the European Union (Brexit), to prove a point that leaving is not beneficial, but dont want to factor in we havnt actually left the European Union yet.
Are you a lib dem voter too?

 

[WATFORD zero]

In fairness here, i have read from a number of articles,(no i cant remember which ones) that there are numerous civil servants on both sides hammering out the minutia of specific areas and articles on a daily basis behind the scenes. We the people get to see what has been negotiated for weeks maybe months when the politicians have a weekly summit and it comes into the public eye. Its the same with big world trade agreements, we see a summit but civil servants have been working behind the scenes 24/7.
It would be a bit naive to think talks were not going on non stop outside of the summits that the big politicians attend

I have a very close acquaintance who works in DExEU. I'll let him know that all is well as a bloke on a football forum says 'that there are numerous civil servants on both sides hammering out the minutia of specific areas and articles on a daily basis behind the scenes'. Certainly prior to chequers I know they were all twiddling their thumbs waiting to see what it was they were going to do.

I may see him this weekend, and if I do, I'll let you know what he says

 

[daveinprague]

Out means out. If we leave with no deal, then what?

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

No it doest
To paraphrase your original question



Flawed question, you are a typical remoaner (not the same as remainer), you want proof of how the country has benefited so far from leaving the European Union (Brexit), to prove a point that leaving is not beneficial, but dont want to factor in we havnt actually left the European Union yet.
Are you a lib dem voter too?

You've got a point in that I was asking a question to which I thought I already knew the answer. I'm not sure it was a flawed question though: I was referring to the process of Brexit (which is in fairness all that we can 'know' at this point) rather than the outcomes. I did think that maybe a Brexiteer such as yourself might be heartened by the impact that the process has had on EU migration figures. And maybe there's something else to add?

But reflexively you've gone into name-calling and this isn't really worthy of you or the case you advocate. (For the record I'm not a Lib Dem supporter, although I'm not sure how or why that is significant or what business it might be of yours.)


Let's just agree to differ. Maybe another Brexiteer might engage.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

I have a very close acquaintance who works in DExEU. I'll let him know that all is well as a bloke on a football forum says 'that there are numerous civil servants on both sides hammering out the minutia of specific areas and articles on a daily basis behind the scenes'. Certainly prior to chequers I know they were all twiddling their thumbs waiting to see what it was they were going to do.

I may see him this weekend, and if I do, I'll let you know what he says

Nicely put.

 

[WATFORD zero]

You've got a point in that I was asking a question to which I thought I already knew the answer. I'm not sure it was a flawed question though: I was referring to the process of Brexit (which is in fairness all that we can 'know' at this point) rather than the outcomes. I did think that maybe a Brexiteer such as yourself might be heartened by the impact that the process has had on EU migration figures. And maybe there's something else to add?

But reflexively you've gone into name-calling and this isn't really worthy of you or the case you advocate. (For the record I'm not a Lib Dem supporter, although I'm not sure how or why that is significant or what business it might be of yours.)


Let's just agree to differ. Maybe another Brexiteer might engage.

To be fair, I don't think you can claim that is directly down to Brexit. I think you could f*** up your economy in many different ways and migration would fall

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

To be fair, I don't think you can claim that is directly down to Brexit. I think you could f*** up your economy in many different ways and migration would fall

I see it rather differently, although of course a lot of EU migrants might be finding that the depreciating pounds are of less value. I think that we've simply become a less welcoming country; we've sent out a signal that is deeply unpleasant to many and they are voting with their feet. Were I in their shoes I think I'd feel like this. What is paradoxical is that the proponents of this mask it in rhetoric about the UK being an more outward looking nation after Brexit. IMO the Brexit vote was not driven by this, but by the opposite.