[Politics] Brexit

[ManOfSussex]

They dont meet the requirements to join the Euro yet, but they have signed EU treaties of accession for new members that require you to join the Euro when you pass all the tests.It can take years and years and years for the newest members. The UK would prob pass requirements straight away and be able to do the required stint in ERM II before dopting the Euro.
Its almost a forgone conclusion as a new member with no opt out this would happen to us

good to see you remoaners are considering the future of rejoining after we have left......the democratic option

Well the EU state only the UK and Denmark are exempt.

The British and Danish opt outs were from The Maastricht Treaty as a result of being members in 1993 when it was ratified. Sweden hasn't been forced and they joined after Maastricht in 1995 and decided against it in 2003 and it's never been revisited. The Czech Republic and Polish Government's don't want to join despite being members since 2004 - they're not being forced..........................

 

[pastafarian]

If anyone has to lose their job after Brexit, I just hope it's people like you.

Thanks, your remoaner lib dem thinking is acknowledged.
I feel sorry for real lib dem voters that now consider your brand toxic

 

[nicko31]

Once we've left it will be completely pointless wanting to rejoin, as we will lose all the benefits we have now.

We had the best of all worlds, out of Euro, schengen, decent rebate etc, the risk reward has never added up for leaving.

We've completely blown it in pursuit to a misguided idealogy based on a catalogue of lies

 

[Questions]

The equivalent of patting the little woman on the head, and telling her not to worry.

I care very much about politics, my country and its future. Don't patronise me, please.

You do know what patronise means don’t you lovey ?

 

[WATFORD zero]

I think this is because the 3 loudest voices, and I do not include you here, have nothing else going on in their lives; Brexit was their saviour and enabled them to finally be seen and heard. To put people on block will row back on this.

This.

Although to be fair, I haven't blocked these three, I just generally ignore them. But occasionally, they say something that is just so stupid, it's worth all the crap in-between

 

[Simster]

Thanks, your remoaner lib dem thinking is acknowledged.
I feel sorry for real lib dem voters that now consider your brand toxic

Isn't it funny and ironic how people who have whinged and moaned about the EU and blamed it for everything for about 3 decades now are happy to call the rest of us "remoaners" for daring to complain at a paper thin majority of a recent farcical referendum.

Oh and hypocritical - but then that's you down to a tee. A massive hypocrite.



Edit: you also don't need to KEEP saying you've acknowledged my voting preference or thinking - you've said it about 20 times on this thread, to me and to others. Do keep in mind that I don't care about whether you acknowledge my point of view or not, as I consider you a hypocritical boorish stubborn simpleton.

 

[WATFORD zero]

It doesn't because, as usual, you're talking bollocks.

If anyone has to lose their job after Brexit, I just hope it's people like you.

I think you may have made an incorrect assumption. What sort of job do you think he manages to squeeze in between his porn, puff and NSC ramblings all hours of the day and night ?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

The British and Danish opt outs were from The Maastricht Treaty as a result of being members in 1993 when it was ratified. Sweden hasn't been forced and they joined after Maastricht in 1995 and decided against it in 2003 and it's never been revisited. The Czech Republic and Polish Government's don't want to join despite being members since 2004 - they're not being forced..........................

"All EU Member States , except Denmark and the United Kingdom, are required to adopt the euro and join the euro area. To do this they must meet certain conditions known as 'convergence criteria'."

https://ec.europa.eu/info/business-...ational-target-dates-for-adoption-of-the-euro

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Ignoring the vote before its enacted is not democratic .....hope this helps

Taking you point seriously I tried to think aback to the first referendum, in 1975 when we had the vote on whether to stay in. But what if we'd have done the rational thing and had a vote to join in the first place - say in 1972? And what if the vote had been a 'yes' but the government had overturned it and not joined? Under what circumstances might that have happened? Well, I guess it would be a vote to join the EU subject to the terms of joining. And if negotiations had broken down then maybe the government would not have proceeded. In a way, this is the situation we face now. There was some sort of mandate to leave but - arguably - it's conditional on the terms. If the terms are manifestly unfavourable then at the very least they 'should' be put back to the public to decide.
A weakness of my argument is that the government in 1972 shouldn't have gone to the country with the terms of joining still not clear. Which is precisely where we are in July 2018 - the government went to the country with the terms (of leaving) not clear.

The wisdom (or folly) of hindsight which will cut no ice with hardened leavers.

 

[Simster]

I think you may have made an incorrect assumption. What sort of job do you think he manages to squeeze in between his porn, puff and NSC ramblings all hours of the day and night ?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I think you may have made an incorrect assumption. What sort of job do you think he manages to squeeze in between his porn, puff and NSC ramblings all hours of the day and night ?

He’s a pensioner.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

"All EU Member States , except Denmark and the United Kingdom, are required to adopt the euro and join the euro area. To do this they must meet certain conditions known as 'convergence criteria'."

https://ec.europa.eu/info/business-...ational-target-dates-for-adoption-of-the-euro

Your link says that countries, in effect, don’t need to join the Euro though? What point are you trying to make?

 

[pastafarian]

Well the EU state only the UK and Denmark are exempt.

Sweden held a referendum with the gov saying even if they were eligible to join the Euro, joining the ERM must be a public referendum decision.
This wont happen here of course as europhiles hate referendums in the first place......it would be full steam with project Euro

 

[ManOfSussex]

"All EU Member States , except Denmark and the United Kingdom, are required to adopt the euro and join the euro area. To do this they must meet certain conditions known as 'convergence criteria'."

https://ec.europa.eu/info/business-...ational-target-dates-for-adoption-of-the-euro

When's Sweden joining then? I'd be fascinated to know, as I'm sure most Swedes would.

 

[Bwian]

Thanks, your remoaner lib dem thinking is acknowledged.
I feel sorry for real lib dem voters that now consider your brand toxic

Remoaners? Really? Isn't it time you grew up if you want your arguments taken seriously?

 

[nicko31]

Remoaners? Really? Isn't it time you grew up if you want your arguments taken seriously?

The term "remoaners" is an attempt to remove any debate from the 48% who largely keep the country afloat

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I thought two of your main issues were the loss of free movement and the health care card - we'd get both back if we re-joined.

They are by products of the lies and deceit shown by our politicians. No politician is completely honest, nor ever will be, but the corruption is just wide open now, and worries me greatly.

 

[pastafarian]

Taking you point seriously I tried to think aback to the first referendum, in 1975 when we had the vote on whether to stay in. But what if we'd have done the rational thing and had a vote to join in the first place - say in 1972? And what if the vote had been a 'yes' but the government had overturned it and not joined? Under what circumstances might that have happened? Well, I guess it would be a vote to join the EU subject to the terms of joining. And if negotiations had broken down then maybe the government would not have proceeded. In a way, this is the situation we face now. There was some sort of mandate to leave but - arguably - it's conditional on the terms. If the terms are manifestly unfavourable then at the very least they 'should' be put back to the public to decide.
A weakness of my argument is that the government in 1972 shouldn't have gone to the country with the terms of joining still not clear. Which is precisely where we are in July 2018 - the government went to the country with the terms (of leaving) not clear.

The wisdom (or folly) of hindsight which will cut no ice with hardened leavers.

You forget what your fellow remoaners(not the same as remainers) are telling you
There were no conditions attached to the ballot
Not freedom of movement, not single market, not customs union, not terms of leaving

It was leave or remain

 

[pastafarian]

Remoaners? Really? Isn't it time you grew up if you want your arguments taken seriously?

Im sure if you had kept up to date with this thread, you would know its established that there are remainers who are separate from a sub class called remoaners
they are clearly defined separate groups

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Your link says that countries, in effect, don’t need to join the Euro though? What point are you trying to make?

I think the statement 'are required' makes it pretty clear countries are expected to join it. Regardless, the point is if the UK decides to re-join after leaving we will be expected to join the Euro as well.