Nailed it! Even managed to bring out an even more desperate response than usual!
Cameron's response, in running away from the result of his actions, was despicable.
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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Cameron's response, in running away from the result of his actions, was despicable.
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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The only thing that pigf*cker got right after 2015 was working out that as a Remainer he couldn't lead a government to Brexit. Which then makes the choice of Theresa May all the more bizarre. Had the Tories elected a Brexiteer in 2016 we wouldn't have had two years of fudge.
Not sure about that - never was a fan of Theresa May, who was a lousy and ineffective Home Secretary, but I honestly think she's done/is doing her best. It's all the arse-holes, from Gina Miller to the House of Lords, most MPs and Whitehall chiefs, who have fought tooth and nail to make sure she had to do everything with her hands tied behind her back, and hindered progress at every step of the way that are to blame for making Brexit ten times more difficult than it really was, just to satisfy their own ends. Not the country's..
And even though she was a remainer, I still think I prefer TM as PM to Boris or Rees Mogg.
Gina Miller was only making sure we followed Uk law and the correct process, as team Brexit isn’t this what you voted for?
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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You and I disagree on that. If Johnson had got the PM gig and loaded his Cabinet with Brexiteers then we wouldn't have had 2 years of Cabinet paralysis that has been caused directly by May choosing her Cabinet equally from both sides. She has caused this paralysis and it's happened mainly because she herself doesn't believe leaving the EU is the right thing to do. Gina Miller, Corbyn, Soubry, Farage etc are bit part players in this sorry saga.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
I think you and [MENTION=12935]GT49er[/MENTION] are both right in identifying some of the reasons why we are where we are. Asking Brexiteers to 100% own this mess is juvenile drivel when they have not been in charge. Asking people to deliver something they don't really believe in constantly trying to face both ways and viewing it as damage limitation rather than an opportunity leads to where we are today.
Tory poll numbers plummeting now with a big jump in UKIP support. Should concentrate a few Tory backbenchers minds.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ection?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Yeh, Right! The good lady just wanted to help make Brexit go smoothly, didn't she............
A Johnson (or Rees Mogg or Davis or whoever) lead cabinet would have lost every vote in the commons, with remainer tories joining with Labour, SNP, the Greens and the Lib Dems. The anti-Brexit factions in the establishment would have simply voted down everything - that is why May has had to tread a tight-rope and take a softer line, just to keep enough MPs on board to make a little progress. I'm not happy about that, but that's the real-politik of it.
If you believe that load of old huffpuff you're even more deluded than I thought.
Maybe you are right, maybe after Cameron did a runner we should have all put aside our beliefs and got behind an ideal we didn't want, have no desire for now and positively believe will do great harm to the country, plaster on a fake grin and let May and her flying monkeys do it exactly how they wanted. I'm sure that would have been great.
Democracy doesn't begin and end with a referendum, pal. Democracy allows for people to express and act on their ideals and protects our right to not agree with ideals we are fundamentally opposed to.
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Latest poll shows Labour on 40% Tories down to 36% and the right wing loonies going back to UKIP who are up 5% to 8%, and another minister resigns tonight but not over Brexit but due to being found sending 2000 (TWO THOUSAND) sex texts to constituents.
It's fair to say May has had better weeks.
It's fair to say May has had better weeks.
Oh my god thickness doesn't even describe you maybe dense is more appropiate. Who allowed the vote? Hmmmm. If he wasn't so cocksure probably like you this scenario would never have happened.
The stupid ones were the remain camp within the government at the time who went ahead with it in the 1st place.
Ever since it has been attempts to belittle the Yes voters for doing something none ever believed they would have the chance to.
Come on then who's fault is it that we have ended up where we are
Well you're even more of a dafty for playing their game then aren't you!
portslade seagull
Well-known member
The game was rather forced on us, also I now think it was a power struggle of sorts internally which hasn't abated even after 2yrs
The EU has been the ending of many a political career. I think it will do for May.
portslade seagull
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If any deal goes to a vote in parliament Labour will make sure of that
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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Given the Parliamentary numbers, how would you envisage the sort of approach demanded by the ERG being, as you say, delivered?
larus
Well-known member
The issue you remainers should take on board now is that all of the legislation to leave the EU has been passed. If nothing else gets passed in parliament, then we drop out of the EU in March next year.
That’s right. Remainers now need to get something through parliament to stop a hard-brexit/no deal.
The power is now with the Brexiteers, and, as more Tory MPs feel the heat from their constituents who voted leave, they will see that it’s not in their interest to support May and her plans any longer. There may be or be the numbers to remove her, but there are the numbers to thwart her.
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
May going on TV in morning threatening to cancel Brexit if her plan doesn’t get backing from her own party. What a way to run a country
Oh FFS! What's the ERG up to now? - it used to be a perfectly normally measurement (as in ergonomics) of how comfortable a chair was......................
Mouth frothing. "That's right" (ooh look at me). "There may be or be" (what?)
What a pompous, idiotic prat. [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]
Could you point out where anything relating to Borders, Payments, Trade etc were 'crystal clear' on the attached
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Or are you mixing up 'I imagined' with 'It was crystal clear' again
This whole farce is rapidly descending into an episode of Father Ted
Ah, finally, it's become obvious why you have such a black and white view on this. You've made your decision purely on the fews words printed on the ballot paper. I assume you do the same at a GE - i.e. ignore any alternative sources of information about policies and promices and instead vote just based on the ballot wording.
I'm afraid you've just dropped two divisions - one due to relegation and the other because you've fallen into administration.