Baldseagull
Well-known member
And it is for the most part, the bits decided at EU level, our elected representatives also take part in the decision, at least they used to before UKIP MEP's.
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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And it is for the most part, the bits decided at EU level, our elected representatives also take part in the decision, at least they used to before UKIP MEP's.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
True that most voted leave to be free to set our own trade deals with other countries without any restrictions? Or true that most don't want into the single market?
Most polls I have seen show people want into the single market, as long as they don't have to have the free movement thing, which is not the thing stopping us doing trade deals any way, it is the customs union.
No, don't believe the vote was won on the back of potential trade deals with the US and China.
Albumen
Don't wait for me!
I wouldn’t want our government’s grubby fingers anywhere near those laws, I’d rather be protected thanks very much. Which bits of the working time directive and climate change doesn’t work for you that you’d like to change for everyone else?
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,791
Some of these posts are getting just a little desperate.
It would have been better if Boris had been in charge
It would have been better if Boris had been in charge
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,791
From 9 months ago
I suspect that this will be the next response from Brexiteers. 'She was a remainer all along and we have been stitched up'.
I wonder why the dream team of Nige, Boris, Andrea and Gove didn't continue their marvellous winning streak and lead us on to the Brexit that they outlined
David Davis 2002
There is a proper role for referendums in constitutional change, but only if done properly. If it is not done properly, it can be a dangerous tool. The Chairman of the Public Administration Committee, who is no longer in the Chamber, said that Clement Attlee—who is, I think, one of the Deputy Prime Minister's heroes—famously described the referendum as the device of demagogues and dictators.
We may not always go as far as he did, but what is certain is that pre-legislative referendums of the type the Deputy Prime Minister is proposing are the worst type of all. Referendums should be held when the electorate are in the best possible position to make a judgment. They should be held when people can view all the arguments for and against and when those arguments have been rigorously tested. In short, referendums should be held when people know exactly what they are getting. So legislation should be debated by Members of Parliament on the Floor of the House, and then put to the electorate for the voters to judge.
We should not ask people to vote on a blank sheet of paper and tell them to trust us to fill in the details afterwards. For referendums to be fair and compatible with our parliamentary process, we need the electors to be as well informed as possible and to know exactly what they are voting for. Referendums need to be treated as an addition to the parliamentary process, not as a substitute for it.
There is a proper role for referendums in constitutional change, but only if done properly. If it is not done properly, it can be a dangerous tool. The Chairman of the Public Administration Committee, who is no longer in the Chamber, said that Clement Attlee—who is, I think, one of the Deputy Prime Minister's heroes—famously described the referendum as the device of demagogues and dictators.
We may not always go as far as he did, but what is certain is that pre-legislative referendums of the type the Deputy Prime Minister is proposing are the worst type of all. Referendums should be held when the electorate are in the best possible position to make a judgment. They should be held when people can view all the arguments for and against and when those arguments have been rigorously tested. In short, referendums should be held when people know exactly what they are getting. So legislation should be debated by Members of Parliament on the Floor of the House, and then put to the electorate for the voters to judge.
We should not ask people to vote on a blank sheet of paper and tell them to trust us to fill in the details afterwards. For referendums to be fair and compatible with our parliamentary process, we need the electors to be as well informed as possible and to know exactly what they are voting for. Referendums need to be treated as an addition to the parliamentary process, not as a substitute for it.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
The Government's legal position (allegedly) is they believe Article 127 is covered by Article 50, but that doesn't mean a great deal as I think we all know they really don't know what they're doing. The 'transition' alone would suggest this isn't the case. I suppose if, or rather when, we're heading for a no deal scenario in 6 months time some judges in London and Luxembourg will rule accordingly on Article 127 once a further challenge is made and can look forward to having their sexual orientation published on the front page of a British newspaper as result.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
Theresa May says "Nobody said this was going to be easy". Step forward Liam Fox.
Just for balance, which bits of the working time directive and climate change do work for you that you want to impose on everybody else?
Fitzcarraldo
Well-known member
- Nov 12, 2010
- 973
To paraphrase from the EU website... working for over the 48-hour average weekly limit can not only disrupt the balance between work and family life but poses risks both for the workers themselves and for others (colleagues, service users).
Makes sense to me. Gives people a chance to enjoy life rather than working all the time. Also, if you're at work all the time you do lose concentration and start making worse decisions. That protects the employer, the employee and the 'service users'. Everybody wins. Trebles all round.
With regards to climate change, some of the EU policies so far have been: A directive to promote electricity from renewable energy, voluntary commitments by car makers to reduce CO 2 emissions by 25% and proposals on the taxation of energy products.
All looks good to me. Policies that benefit everyone by improving the air that we all breathe.
Which parts do you disagree with?
Who said I did? I was questioning the view (shared by most remainers, I'm afraid) that their views are perfect and OK to impose on everybody else, and those who disagree are in one way or another not worthy of consideration - in this case the accusation was of selfishness - "which bits that you don't like would you like to change for everybody else".
Fitzcarraldo
Well-known member
- Nov 12, 2010
- 973
It would have been clearer if you had said that in your first post rather than asking a question.
Farage:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...may-uk-worse-off-tough-brussels-a8390796.html
I am not sure how anyone can take him seriously anymore?
How does he plan to walkaway with no deal to cover aviation etc?
Clueless.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...may-uk-worse-off-tough-brussels-a8390796.html
I am not sure how anyone can take him seriously anymore?
How does he plan to walkaway with no deal to cover aviation etc?
Clueless.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Do change the record.I bet you still play with toy planes.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Oooo I've blocked everyone/anyone that disagrees with me or insults my huge ego .... #King of the Snowflakes
Do you think someone should introduce him to the delights of spell-checker?As if we are interested in his comments or opinion
Quote Originally Posted by Kinky Gerbils View Post
Farage:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8390796.html
I am not sure how anyone can take him seriously anymore?
How does he plan to walkaway with no deal to cover aviation etc?
Clueless.
B side https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/971905/Brexit-news-UK-EU-European-Union-Norway-EEA-Theresa-May
Farage:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8390796.html
I am not sure how anyone can take him seriously anymore?
How does he plan to walkaway with no deal to cover aviation etc?
Clueless.
B side https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/971905/Brexit-news-UK-EU-European-Union-Norway-EEA-Theresa-May
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Just seen this.You're more like Septic Pig than Mystic Meg.Post your election,referendum,Trump,and Clinton predictions.Perhaps you would like to predict why James Mattis was with his mate Gav today?
