[Politics] Brexit

[nicko31]

Worth pointing out that this weak, useless government is all we have because Labour are just as bad, probably even worse. All they seem interested in is appeasing the small number of extreme socialists that the rest of the country doesn't want.

Neither of them seem capable of a pragmatism needed to re-unite the country. Both abject.

Agree Labour even worse than the Tories, Corbyn is partly to blame for Brexit as during the campaign he was just pathetic.

The only leader I see with any common sense and who stands by his beliefs is Cable, but the LD's seem to be dismissed as a non-party and also get very little press. Thankfully in my constituency we have people with half a brain and kicked our yes woman Tories out for a LD MP

 

[Two Professors]

'Only somewhere between 5 and 14 thousand citizens from the accession countries will come to the UK'.So said the Labour party on Blair's decision to allow them to come here immediately.Wonder if Di did the sums again?

 

[ManOfSussex]

'Only somewhere between 5 and 14 thousand citizens from the accession countries will come to the UK'.So said the Labour party on Blair's decision to allow them to come here immediately.Wonder if Di did the sums again?

Professor Christian Dustmann came up with the figure, but he did base it on us having the same transitional arrangements as France and Germany though. Home Office limitations, as per now, meant that was never going to happen as we'd have been incapable of administering it properly.

 

[Two Professors]

Professor Christian Dustmann came up with the figure, but he did base it on us having the same transitional arrangements as France and Germany though. Home Office limitations, as per now, meant that was never going to happen as we'd have been incapable of administering it properly.

You must be having a laugh?Christian Dustmann-well his figures were certainly rubbish.Thanks for that,was having a bad day and needed a laugh (friend having heart surgery).

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

You must be having a laugh?Christian Dustmann-well his figures were certainly rubbish.Thanks for that,was having a bad day and needed a laugh (friend having heart surgery).

Sorry to hear about your friend. Hope that the surgery is a success. Such things serve to remind us that

a) even Brexit arguments can be kept in perspective

b) we must all be careful of our blood pressure (especially when we argue over you-know-what!)

 

[astralavi]

Second transitional period (lol)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...23-eu-northern-ireland-backstop-a8367106.html

https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...ransition-period-hard-border-northern-ireland

 

[ManOfSussex]

All here - https://www.parliament.uk/business/...ress-negotiations-may-report-published-17-19/

"The Government has indicated that neither the maximum facilitation proposal nor the new customs partnership, if agreed, is likely to be ready in time during the agreed 21-month transition/implementation period. The Prime Minister has alluded to "contingencies" that can be triggered in this eventuality but has not set them out. The Secretary of State has ruled out any extension of the Customs Union but in the absence of any other plan, such an extension will be the only viable option."

 

[CHAPPERS]

Pathetic

 

[nicko31]

Second transitional period (lol)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...23-eu-northern-ireland-backstop-a8367106.html

https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...ransition-period-hard-border-northern-ireland

If I was a Brexiteer I'd be getting worried, they're naked and the tide is going out fast. The fools paradise has ended

 

[ManOfSussex]

I see former Vote Leave Director Dominic Cummings hasn't held much back in his criticism of how things are going.

https://dominiccummings.com/

 

[WATFORD zero]

Second transitional period (lol)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...23-eu-northern-ireland-backstop-a8367106.html

https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...ransition-period-hard-border-northern-ireland

Well no-one could have seen that coming

Even if this exchange from nearly a year ago suggests otherwise

So I'll add you to the majority of our brexiteers on here who have just realised that our negotiating position is completely shit and now thinks that 'no deal' is the way ahead ?

I do wish you had given this a bit more thought 2 years ago

It's early days plenty of twists and turns to come only an idiot would think the EU holds all the cards or one side has anything to lose. Would you be prepared to accept any deal over a no deal option, if no what would be your red lines in rejecting the deal?

Only an idiot would think that we still have time to implement anything we agree.

You really don't get it do you ?

If we finished negotiations tomorrow we are incapable of implementing in time now. You've obviously never worked on any significant project, let alone one that involves government, civil service and politics.

My guess is full membership for another 2 years while negotiations continue.

Keep up, we are already looking at a two year implementation/ transition period after 2019.

And the answers to my questions are?

Try reading the post. I didn't say implementation / transition.

And the answers to your questions are that you are too stupid to realise they are irrelevant -

 

[Westdene Seagull]

If I was a Brexiteer I'd be getting worried, they're naked and the tide is going out fast. The fools paradise has ended

You might be creaming your pants a little prematurely. Why would the EU agree to that extension ?

 

[WATFORD zero]

You might be creaming your pants a little prematurely. Why would the EU agree to that extension ?

Well I would guess because we're going to give them truckloads of dosh, rather like we are going to for the first extension

To be fair, if we had suggested to the EU upfront that we would keep paying in everything whilst having no input, and giving up all concessions negotiated by all UK Governments over the last 40 odd years, I think they would have leapt at it.

 

[astralavi]

(The brains behind the operation) Dominic Cummings, the campaign director and brains behind the Vote Leave team, has penned a howl of anguish to Conservatives about what he now calls “the Brexit shambles”. From the FT

Dear Tory MPs and donors,

I’ve avoided writing about Brexit since last year but a few of you have been in touch asking “what do you think?” so . . .

What do I think? What do I think? What do you think I think, you dummies? This is a monumental screw-up. I gave you this Brexit. This Brexit was in good shape when I passed it to you. Now look at it. I’d have been better off handing it to the cast of Love Island.

You people are betraying my Brexit. I gave you a pure Brexit, unmarked by problems, unscathed by details, uncontaminated by reality. My Brexit would be delivered carefully, as soon as you had taken the time to work out what my Brexit was. But instead you rushed in with your desire to “fulfil the will of the people” and you are now destroying my Brexit with your witless low intelligence.

And let’s be clear about this. No one’s going to blame me. I’ve got Benedict Cumberbatch playing me in the TV version. That’s right — bloody Sherlock — is playing me. The world recognises my genius. Who do you think is going to be playing all of you? Let’s just say it will be good to see Willy Wonka’s Oompa Loompas again.

I’m not big on self-abnegation (there’s a dictionary in the Commons library, look it up numpties) but I admit I may have made one tiny miscalculation. When I took back control for you, I anticipated handing Brexit strategy to the greatest political minds in the history of Christendom. I foresaw a new political order that would rise to the challenge — a cabinet of the greatest minds: Gladstone, Richelieu, Bismarck, Michael Gove. These were the kind of people who were meant to take back control.

Instead we got May, Hammond, Davis and Robbins. They sound like a bunch of cricketers or an estate agent in the home counties. Perhaps I erred, but how was I to know that the people responsible for Brexit were likely to be the very same politicians I had just spent the previous year rubbishing? They were meant to be liberated by the vote, free to engage in new, brilliant, scientific thinking.

Instead they did everything it was possible to do wrong. They triggered Article 50 too early just because everyone on our side was demanding we did; they had no plans for their new status. We’ve been outwitted by evil civil servants, outplayed by the EU and even outmanoeuvred by the Irish. No one could have foreseen this, well, apart from the Remain campaign, but when they said this would happen it was all just Project Fear.

I warned you that triggering Article 50 before we were ready would be like “putting a gun in your mouth and pulling the trigger’’. With hindsight, perhaps I should have been clearer that this would be a bad thing.

There was a right way to do this. Slowly, deliberately and in a way that was completely alien to the bunch of attention deficit, instant gratification halfwits formerly known as my allies.

Oh, and if you think things are bad now, just you wait till Corbyn’s prime minister. You may think he’s peaked but he is going to tear you apart for your incompetence. If you think all those thick, northern Ukip voters are going to stick with you after Brexit when Corbyn is offering them bung after bung at the next election, you are deluding yourselves. No one will thank you for ruining my Brexit.

The only thing that can be done is to change the political landscape. That’s code, by the way, for dump May and get a decent leader. I know I shouldn’t have to explain this to you but given past experience I worry that when I say “change the political landscape” you might think I mean open a herb garden outside College Green.

As Bismarck liked to say: “Better to be a hammer than an anvil”, or was it better to be a headache than an Advil? Anyway we must be the change, we must fight for the right to party. Tis not too late to seek a newer world, to seek, to strive to find and not to yield. Vote Gove, or maybe Johnson run by Gove. It is time to take back control. Details to follow.

Dom

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

(The brains behind the operation) Dominic Cummings, the campaign director and brains behind the Vote Leave team, has penned a howl of anguish to Conservatives about what he now calls “the Brexit shambles”. From the FT

Dear Tory MPs and donors,

I’ve avoided writing about Brexit since last year but a few of you have been in touch asking “what do you think?” so . . .

What do I think? What do I think? What do you think I think, you dummies? This is a monumental screw-up. I gave you this Brexit. This Brexit was in good shape when I passed it to you. Now look at it. I’d have been better off handing it to the cast of Love Island.

You people are betraying my Brexit. I gave you a pure Brexit, unmarked by problems, unscathed by details, uncontaminated by reality. My Brexit would be delivered carefully, as soon as you had taken the time to work out what my Brexit was. But instead you rushed in with your desire to “fulfil the will of the people” and you are now destroying my Brexit with your witless low intelligence.

And let’s be clear about this. No one’s going to blame me. I’ve got Benedict Cumberbatch playing me in the TV version. That’s right — bloody Sherlock — is playing me. The world recognises my genius. Who do you think is going to be playing all of you? Let’s just say it will be good to see Willy Wonka’s Oompa Loompas again.

I’m not big on self-abnegation (there’s a dictionary in the Commons library, look it up numpties) but I admit I may have made one tiny miscalculation. When I took back control for you, I anticipated handing Brexit strategy to the greatest political minds in the history of Christendom. I foresaw a new political order that would rise to the challenge — a cabinet of the greatest minds: Gladstone, Richelieu, Bismarck, Michael Gove. These were the kind of people who were meant to take back control.

Instead we got May, Hammond, Davis and Robbins. They sound like a bunch of cricketers or an estate agent in the home counties. Perhaps I erred, but how was I to know that the people responsible for Brexit were likely to be the very same politicians I had just spent the previous year rubbishing? They were meant to be liberated by the vote, free to engage in new, brilliant, scientific thinking.

Instead they did everything it was possible to do wrong. They triggered Article 50 too early just because everyone on our side was demanding we did; they had no plans for their new status. We’ve been outwitted by evil civil servants, outplayed by the EU and even outmanoeuvred by the Irish. No one could have foreseen this, well, apart from the Remain campaign, but when they said this would happen it was all just Project Fear.

I warned you that triggering Article 50 before we were ready would be like “putting a gun in your mouth and pulling the trigger’’. With hindsight, perhaps I should have been clearer that this would be a bad thing.

There was a right way to do this. Slowly, deliberately and in a way that was completely alien to the bunch of attention deficit, instant gratification halfwits formerly known as my allies.

Oh, and if you think things are bad now, just you wait till Corbyn’s prime minister. You may think he’s peaked but he is going to tear you apart for your incompetence. If you think all those thick, northern Ukip voters are going to stick with you after Brexit when Corbyn is offering them bung after bung at the next election, you are deluding yourselves. No one will thank you for ruining my Brexit.

The only thing that can be done is to change the political landscape. That’s code, by the way, for dump May and get a decent leader. I know I shouldn’t have to explain this to you but given past experience I worry that when I say “change the political landscape” you might think I mean open a herb garden outside College Green.

As Bismarck liked to say: “Better to be a hammer than an anvil”, or was it better to be a headache than an Advil? Anyway we must be the change, we must fight for the right to party. Tis not too late to seek a newer world, to seek, to strive to find and not to yield. Vote Gove, or maybe Johnson run by Gove. It is time to take back control. Details to follow.

Dom

That is hilarious

 

[astralavi]

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[Garry Nelson's teacher]

That is hilarious

Malcolm Tucker wasn't it, in The Thick of It?

 

[nicko31]

Well I would guess because we're going to give them truckloads of dosh, rather like we are going to for the first extension

To be fair, if we had suggested to the EU upfront that we would keep paying in everything whilst having no input, and giving up all concessions negotiated by all UK Governments over the last 40 odd years, I think they would have leapt at it.

PAYG contract may cost more, still no plan, 2 years...

 

[Pavilionaire]

Any sign of the Good Deal yet?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Any sign of the Good Deal yet?

Dominic Cummings, former Vote Leave director, says Brexit is destined to be a 'train-wreck'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-44232266?__twitter_impression=true