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[Politics] Brexit
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nicko31
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BOE...
Brexit has already knocked 2% off GDP growth, equivalent to around £40B
Sadly austerity will continue for the foreseeable future. Project fear fast becoming project reality.
Chin up, nice BH weekend coming up..
Brexit has already knocked 2% off GDP growth, equivalent to around £40B
Sadly austerity will continue for the foreseeable future. Project fear fast becoming project reality.
Chin up, nice BH weekend coming up..
Pretty pink fairy
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Bold Seagull
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What does Mark Carney know?
https://news.sky.com/story/carney-sees-a-900-brexit-cost-to-household-incomes-11381658
https://news.sky.com/story/carney-sees-a-900-brexit-cost-to-household-incomes-11381658
nicko31
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We shouldn't listen to experts, Michael Gove told us that
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Let's trade with the rest of the world, as we can manage it on our own, can't we?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ommonwealth-negotiations-latest-a8363146.html
Brexiteers had previously trumpeted a possible trade deal with the two Anglosphere Commonwealth countries as a potential benefit of Brexit, but the EU will now have a year’s head start over the UK in getting a deal finalised – with an official ceremony due later this month.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ommonwealth-negotiations-latest-a8363146.html
Brexiteers had previously trumpeted a possible trade deal with the two Anglosphere Commonwealth countries as a potential benefit of Brexit, but the EU will now have a year’s head start over the UK in getting a deal finalised – with an official ceremony due later this month.
Garry Nelson's teacher
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This makes for grim reading. Of course given it's from The Guardian that saves some folk from going beyond tihs point. However, I've always thought that one of the cornerstones of the Brexit case - going out and striking new trade deals - was very shaky and simply unconvincing. It was based on little more than a gung-ho blind optimism; I've still yet to see any evidence that it could or will happen.
The extract below actually presents a worse picture than even that: in simple terms the EU get in there before us and stitches us up! On the face of it, not good for UKplc.
Of course our top men on the case could still pull off a coup and out-manoeuvre the EU, but it just doesn't give grounds for optimism.
The EU has leapt ahead of the UK in the pursuit of free trade deals with Australia and New Zealand after member states gave the green light for talks to start within weeks.
With Theresa May insistent that leaving the EU will involve exiting the customs union and the bloc’s external commercial policy, the announcement from Brussels opens up the possibility that the EU could enjoy better terms with the two Commonwealth nations after Brexit than the UK will.
New Zealand’s trade minister, David Parker, said the UK’s withdrawal did not diminish the huge potential gains for his country that would come from breaking down trade barriers with the remaining 27 member states.
He said: “The EU is our third-largest trading partner, with two-way trade worth more than $20bn [£10.3bn]. Even excluding the UK, our trade with the EU is worth about $16bn annually.”
The international trade secretary, Liam Fox, had recently spoken of “reinvigorating” the Commonwealth partnership with a host of trade deals after Brexit, labelled “empire 2.0” by sceptical Whitehall officials.
But the UK will not be able to start its negotiations over future trade with New Zealand and Australia until 30 March 2019. The European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, has vowed to complete the EU’s talks with the two countries by 31 October of that year, when his time in office expires.
The extract below actually presents a worse picture than even that: in simple terms the EU get in there before us and stitches us up! On the face of it, not good for UKplc.
Of course our top men on the case could still pull off a coup and out-manoeuvre the EU, but it just doesn't give grounds for optimism.
The EU has leapt ahead of the UK in the pursuit of free trade deals with Australia and New Zealand after member states gave the green light for talks to start within weeks.
With Theresa May insistent that leaving the EU will involve exiting the customs union and the bloc’s external commercial policy, the announcement from Brussels opens up the possibility that the EU could enjoy better terms with the two Commonwealth nations after Brexit than the UK will.
New Zealand’s trade minister, David Parker, said the UK’s withdrawal did not diminish the huge potential gains for his country that would come from breaking down trade barriers with the remaining 27 member states.
He said: “The EU is our third-largest trading partner, with two-way trade worth more than $20bn [£10.3bn]. Even excluding the UK, our trade with the EU is worth about $16bn annually.”
The international trade secretary, Liam Fox, had recently spoken of “reinvigorating” the Commonwealth partnership with a host of trade deals after Brexit, labelled “empire 2.0” by sceptical Whitehall officials.
But the UK will not be able to start its negotiations over future trade with New Zealand and Australia until 30 March 2019. The European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, has vowed to complete the EU’s talks with the two countries by 31 October of that year, when his time in office expires.
nicko31
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I wish this was fake news
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
Not surprising - This editorial in The Dominion Post from last year after Johnson's visit springs to mind - https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-po...-cant-go-back-despite-boris-johnsons-promises
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Seeing Mogg get owned on the Daily Politics was good , he had to resort to getting his phone out to try and google what to say
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Me too, but it's the reality.
nicko31
Well-known member
Whole thing just feels like a slow motion car crash. Its damage limitation now, nothing else.
Quite. Was reading today all 4 leaders in NI have signed a letter stating NI must stay in the customs union to avoid a hard border; it’s hotting up now.
When you say "all 4", you mean leaders of SF, SDLP Alliance and the Green Party leaders - the DUP (and the ever more side-lined UUP) are not included. The DUP have of course insisted there is no hard border in the sea.
It's quite clear that there is no solution available that will appease both of these positions - if there was, it would have been resolved already.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
They were happy enough with the Good Friday agreement, but that has been thrown out with the bath water.
Then you've got Gibraltar.
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I suppose there hasn't been much news due to the Royal Wedding, so the remainer machine needs refilling, in the hope people will visit the various news outlets and click on the ads.
It’s a bit of a puzzle isn’t it?
Well indeed. 70% of NI voted against Brexit, yet this doesn't seem to matter to the DUP.
Given that the GFA means a seamless border, it seems to me that the price of Brexit for unionist parties ought to be that the border goes up in the sea instead, in the same way that the price for a seamless Irish border is that NI is governed as part of the UK. Since the DUP is a pro-Brexit party and they seem happy to prop up the current utterly useless Brexit negotiating government, I'd say it was partly their responsibility to come up with an alternative plan if they don't like that idea.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Back to remoaning,I see.I see the ONS are showing their amazing talent for correct forecasts again-only £2 billion out,but what's the odd couple of billion here or there?They are the experts and we should believe everything they say 
Bet Watford Gap used to work for them judging by the state of his predictions 
Bet Watford Gap used to work for them judging by the state of his predictions