[Politics] Brexit

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

That's one point of view that doesn't seem to account for why a no deal had occurred. Obviously, the #teameu crew that frequent this thread will blame everything on the UK side after spending months saying we are caving in and ridiculing any concession made by the UK to progress talks. Other options include the EU overplaying their hand thinking we will blink first and miscaluclating. In that scenario I can see the government forced into a corner where a no deal is the only option. They could reasonably argue they have tried their best to facilitate a deal but the EU is mainly at fault and unwilling to meet us half way (unthinkable concept for remoaners obvs). Would the public be more sympathetic to the government or to the EU side and those in parliament seeking to stop Brexit by any means?

Also May could survive or May could resign and a new Tory leader probably a Brexiteer would replace her without a general election that needs a very specific threshold to be triggered.

Still think it far more likely a deal will be done even if it goes to the wire.

I'm afraid that the words of Basil Fawlty hang over this sorry affair: "you started it!" I'm still awaiting intervention by those German car manufacturers we heard so much about during the campaign...........perhaps they'll arrive in their BMWs to save the deal - and the day - at the last minute. (If they leave it a day too late they won't get through the traffic at the channel ports.)

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Unfortunately, and ignoring all the crap on this thread, we are now getting to the serious end of this complete clusterf*** and unless you have sufficient private funds, pensions and healthcare to ride it out, it isn't looking good for anyone

God bless the EU
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I don't understand why everyone's picking on The Clamp? There's plenty of people on here who thinks he speaks a lot of sense:

https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showt...ense-on-here&p=8336549&highlight=#post8336549

Blubbering cry baby = the Clamp AKA Nibble
regards
DR

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I'm afraid that the words of Basil Fawlty hang over this sorry affair: "you started it!" I'm still awaiting intervention by those German car manufacturers we heard so much about during the campaign...........perhaps they'll arrive in their BMWs to save the deal - and the day - at the last minute. (If they leave it a day too late they won't get through the traffic at the channel ports.)

I assumed the EU wouldn't take the estranged partner/petulant teenager line and work with us to find mutually beneficial solutions. If they really are intransigent enough to put political dogma over Eu citizens welfare then so be it. I am sure the German car manufacturers and wider business are applying as much pressure as their Uk equivalents behind the scenes.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-no-deal-pain-is-uk-gain/
regards
DR

 

[WATFORD zero]

God bless the EU
regards
DR

I'll assume you're someone who has a private income, pensions and Healthcare then

I must admit, I didn't expect to be sharing a lifeboat with you

 

[looney]

Blubbering cry baby = the Clamp AKA Nibble
regards
DR

Raving Mentalist more like.

 

[Two Professors]

Unfortunately, and ignoring all the crap on this thread, we are now getting to the serious end of this complete clusterf*** and unless you have sufficient private funds, pensions and healthcare to ride it out, it isn't looking good for anyone

Utter drivel.

 

[Two Professors]

Well,I for one,would welcome another election.Get the Mogfather in for a bit of backbone and see who's laughing afterwards!



If the Opposition parties all go for remain,the Tories will wipe the floor with them.

 

[The Clamp]

Unfortunately, and ignoring all the crap on this thread, we are now getting to the serious end of this complete clusterf*** and unless you have sufficient private funds, pensions and healthcare to ride it out, it isn't looking good for anyone

Quite right. It's getting to the part where we find out the consequences of this idiotic pantomime. We already know the "in progress" problems; Rising food prices, funding pulled from deprived areas, recession in the construction industry etc, it's only gonna get worse now and more so when the coming recession hits.

And as you say, it isn't looking good for millions of people. Only those who are wealthy and realistic about the situation have a chance of going relatively unscathed. Poorer people in denial? They haven't a chance.

Most Brits now think Brexit was a mistake, European Parliament president Antonio Tajani says


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...i-european-parliament-president-a8053546.html


He's not wrong you know.

 

[portslade seagull]

Quite right. It's getting to the part where we find out the consequences of this idiotic pantomime. We already know the "in progress" problems; Rising food prices, funding pulled from deprived areas, recession in the construction industry etc, it's only gonna get worse now and more so when the coming recession hits.

And as you say, it isn't looking good for millions of people. Only those who are wealthy and realistic about the situation have a chance of going relatively unscathed. Poorer people in denial? They haven't a chance.

Most Brits now think Brexit was a mistake, European Parliament president Antonio Tajani says


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...i-european-parliament-president-a8053546.html


He's not wrong you know.

Well maybe in 30/40yrs there can be another vote to see if we want to rejoin the failing club if it hasn't collapsed by then

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I still dont umderstand the "no deal is better than a bad deal" statement. Why would the EU offer a deal WORSE than a no deal? Any deal will be better than a no deal.

No idea either. You'll have to ask Tory Central Office or one of our experts.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Well,I for one,would welcome another election.Get the Mogfather in for a bit of backbone and see who's laughing afterwards!

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If the Opposition parties all go for remain,the Tories will wipe the floor with them.

Let’s do the vote then, there would be no Brexit

 

[Lincoln Imp]

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If the Opposition parties all go for remain,the Tories will wipe the floor with them.

How do you arrive at that, given your chart shows the Tories on between 38 and 41 percent?

 

[Two Professors]

How do you arrive at that, given your chart shows the Tories on between 38 and 41 percent?

Cable has lost a lot of voters for the Lib Dems,and Corbin will lose Labour's core support if he decides on remain.Brexit will be the only issue and the majority support it.Labour peaked last year,and with all their flip-flopping on policies still can't raise a decent lead.Don't think May has the guts,Cameron Mk 2,but Boris,Gove,and Rees-Mogg would get us out asap.

 

[Ernest]

Looks like with today’s developments Brexit is all but dead save a few swivel eyed head bangers thinking it’s not

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

Cable has lost a lot of voters for the Lib Dems,and Corbin will lose Labour's core support if he decides on remain.Brexit will be the only issue and the majority support it.Labour peaked last year,and with all their flip-flopping on policies still can't raise a decent lead.Don't think May has the guts,Cameron Mk 2,but Boris,Gove,and Rees-Mogg would get us out asap.

A very small majority voted to leave, many would have changed their minds after this farce.
And many of the teenagers who should have been allowed to vote in the referendum will probably be old enough to vote in the next GE and most wanted to remain.
It's the kids who are mostly sick of this government for many reasons and will be old enough to vote that people like you want to worry about,
Rees Mogg and Boris in charge of the country, have a word with yourself you half wit.

 

[pastafarian]

I still dont umderstand the "no deal is better than a bad deal" statement.

If you were offered a deal that if you signed it, would make your worse off than if you didnt sign it, which option would you choose.? Not signing or signing?

Why would the EU offer a deal WORSE than a no deal? Any deal will be better than a no deal.

A no withdrawal deal means Leaving anyway in accordance with the Lisbon Treaty as the treaties will cease to apply. .

Not good if you are wanting to keep the club together.
If you were the EU and you wanted to put off future apostasy from others nations, wanted Brexit to go just away with a return to the status quo and saw noises from the leaving country about having a re-run of the referendum,with an option of ignoring actually leaving and staying IN instead, based on the actual deal (as opposed to no deal) you were prepared to offer…….why wouldn’t you offer a crap deal.

If you are the EU and saw that the democratic vote was going to be upheld, and that the UK was leaving with or without a deal, it would be in your interests to make the split as amicable as possible.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Word on the streets, apparently Theresa has found a solution to her customs Ireland/NI Customs Union/max fac issue.

Britain would agree to maintain the common external tariff – the import tax levied on goods coming into the EU and align all its regulations with Europe’s.

But Britain would seek to opt out of the common commercial policy, which prevents member countries from negotiating independent trade deals.

So all our regulations are still controlled by the EU (with no input from us), but we can do our own trade deals. Very much like we agreed in the last minute panic back in December.

And it looks like details of the further extension are starting to firm up.

All of this, of course, would have to be agreed by the EU if the government finally agrees to put this forward as the UK option.

Hands up who voted for that

 

[nicko31]

Looks like with today’s developments Brexit is all but dead save a few swivel eyed head bangers thinking it’s not

Not sure if dead but the extreme dream died last December, elements of the Tory party have been in denial since. Still no solutions, other than kicking the can down the road.

May is doing her best but she has a toxic party, 30 years of civil war on Europe continues and the real challenges for the country are kicked into even longer grass.