[Politics] Brexit

[Kinky Gerbil]

As I've said all along (an observation, not my preference)

TM will negotiate the softest of soft Brexits (the only option that's been available to her since day 1), and then like every politician, won't have the balls to see it through.

So it will be thrown back at the electorate with a three way, negotiated option, WTO option, cancel Article 50

That's when the fun will start

I’m certain she will resign before then, or drag it out till the next election

 

[ManOfSussex]

That's when the fun will start

Yep, things could get really nasty.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

As I've said all along (an observation, not my preference)

TM will negotiate the softest of soft Brexits (the only option that's been available to her since day 1), and then like every politician, won't have the balls to see it through.

So it will be thrown back at the electorate with a three way, negotiated option, WTO option, cancel Article 50

That's when the fun will start

Interesting interpretation. The author seems to be arguing the opposite: that she will go from 'weak' to 'tough' in her dealings with the hard line Brexiteers in her party (in effect staring them down) and pull this off. I'm not convinced but it's an interesting line of argument.

 

[pastafarian]

Register of EU Nationals = Settled Status, which will be up and running sometime in the next 10 years, hence why new EU nationals arriving during the transition will be treated the same as those already here, as will those arriving when the transition is extended beyond 2020 etc.

Any chance you can translate this to English?

 

[WATFORD zero]

I’m certain she will resign before then, or drag it out till the next election

Both possible options. Let's face it, under normal political conditions, there's no way she would have survived this far.

The knives have been out for a long time, but even Boris with his ego won't go for the job at the moment.

 

[cheshunt seagull]

I totally agree with youth skills training,but what is the point in training them with no job prospect at the end?I know it's lovely for the idle rich in Brighton to have their skinny latte served by degree level barristas,but how many coffee houses do we need?

Absolutely no point without the jobs but what kind of jobs should these be? As you say you can't focus just on the service sector; I think someone once said that you can't build an economy on people holding doors open for each other. Globalisation (mostly outside EU) means that mass manufacturing will never deliver them. So you are left with skilled roles in advanced manufacturing, new technology and 'knowledge' related areas (media, publishing etc). Creating the environment for businesses in this ares to grow (particularly small and medium-sized) is a mixture of government action and private investment and neither has performed this role well in recent years. For all the name-calling (traitors, bigots,twunts and so on). that happens on this thread the key dividing issue between leave and remain is probably whether this environment can be best developed in a national economy with more controlled points of exit and entry or within the context of a larger more open multi-national economic unit.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Of course, he explained his view in the way you characterised.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Projection

Quite a common affliction for Remainers on this thread.

JC in Barrel-Scraping Shock

Gets Caught, Rapidly Swerves

 

[ManOfSussex]

Any chance you can translate this to English?

If you read the article [MENTION=33116]Garry Nelson's teacher[/MENTION] kindly posted up in regards to a possible Norwegian arrangement being the eventual endgame, you'll see it contains this line in regards to immigration:

As for migration, Efta arrangements embrace a register of EU nationals, controls on their citizenship and property ownership and expulsion if they are out of work for six months.

We could have done all that anyway previously, so we don't want to have that discussion again, but a register of EU nationals is what 'Settled Status' will be. Now Settled Status won't be ready for March next year, hence why during the transition new EU nationals arriving in The UK will be treated the same as those already here prior to 29/03/19. Settled Status will be ready sometime in the next 10 years, (possibly) so when the transition is extended beyond 31/12/20, it all evolves into that Norway scenario eventually down the road

 

[WATFORD zero]

Interesting interpretation. The author seems to be arguing the opposite: that she will go from 'weak' to 'tough' in her dealings with the hard line Brexiteers in her party (in effect staring them down) and pull this off. I'm not convinced but it's an interesting line of argument.

I think she will have to get 'tough' in her dealings with the hard line Brexiteers. I can't see there's any alternative. Just look at the phase 1 negotiation statement and the implementation period statement to see what sort of solution we are heading for. Hence the softest of soft Brexits.

It is just a matter of time before the hardliners try to take her out. The problem is the timing, so the incoming don't have to take any responsibility for what's happened.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

JC in Barrel-Scraping Shock

Gets Caught, Rapidly Swerves

No idea what that means ... can you please stick to the issues and stop continually dragging this thread into the gutter.















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[JC Footy Genius]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...it-britain-norway-theresa-may-transition-deal

The grown-ups on this thread (i.e. those who don't spend 99% of their time flinging insults at each other) might find this article of interest. It revisits the 'soft Brexit' Norway option and predicts that this will be the most likely direction of travel for the UK.

Unless you are an out-and-out 'clean break' Brexiteer (and I know that some are) then we've got to look at some sort of post-leaving relationship that preserves the 'good bits'. This model might be the compromise between the 2nd referendum and the hard Brexit proponents, although I suspect it'll be too soft for most Leavers.

Anyway it's a serious position worth considering and probably a better way of spending time than lobbing huge quantities of mud at each other (although. OK, not as much fun).

Not sure the Guardian running articles pushing the Norway model/telling their readership what they want to hear is particularly newsworthy or interesting but it does give an insight into the delusional mind of Mr Jenkins. Do you read any other papers?

 

[The Clamp]

No,I suspect the hygiene and "friendship" practices of you and Herr T are rather questionable, don’t want your grubby hands near my food so ill pass thanks.

Judging by your internet porn history bar that you accidentally posted on here a few weeks back, I'd say it was you with the grubby hands.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Any chance you can translate this to English?

Someone pretending they know what they're talking about with access to that magical crystal ball that can see into the future?

 

[ManOfSussex]

Someone pretending they know what they're talking about

That's a very honest appraisal of yourself.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

No idea what that means ... can you please stick to the issues and stop continually dragging this thread into the gutter.















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What it means is that you attempted to personalise a conversation, ignore a simple point repeatedly made and then descend into condescension. I've no idea what your gutter reference is about.

 

[cheshunt seagull]

Not sure the Guardian running articles pushing the Norway model/telling their readership what they want to hear is particularly newsworthy or interesting but it does give an insight into the delusional mind of Mr Jenkins. Do you read any other papers?

At least focussing on the Norway model's plus and minus points gives us something tangible to discuss and this level of debate has been sadly missing.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Britain seems broken now’: faces from the Brexit exodus to Europe
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/mar/24/meet-the-brexiles-who-voted-with-their-feet

“The UK has been neglected for decades and it shows: public transport is a joke, the NHS is falling to pieces, the education system is broken. I wanted to give my children the best start in life and I wanted the basic stuff – housing, education and healthcare – to be sorted. ”

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Not sure the Guardian running articles pushing the Norway model/telling their readership what they want to hear is particularly newsworthy or interesting but it does give an insight into the delusional mind of Mr Jenkins. Do you read any other papers?

We get an awful lot of this from both sides on this thread:

An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attack on an argument made by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, rather than attacking the argument directly. (Courtesy of Wikipedia and not, for a change, the Guardian!)

 

[JC Footy Genius]

At least focussing on the Norway model's plus and minus points gives us something tangible to discuss and this level of debate has been sadly missing.

Although tangible there seems little point as HMG have ruled it out on numerous occasions. Even the Guardian didn't think it was a good option pre-referendum.

The Guardian view on the UK’s Norway option: No say. Still pay. No way

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...the-uks-norway-option-no-say-still-pay-no-way

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Although tangible there seems little point as HMG have ruled it out on numerous occasions. Even the Guardian didn't think it was a good option pre-referendum.

The Guardian view on the UK’s Norway option: No say. Still pay. No way

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...the-uks-norway-option-no-say-still-pay-no-way

Interesting. However, I think views might have changed since this was written (2015) and it might now be regarded as damage limitation by the Remain camp. The lack of a 'voice' on any of the EU policy-making mechanisms is now a given I guess.