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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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Baldseagull
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This would really not help the peace in NI. I hope they stay out of it, and there are enough Tories willing to break ranks anyway.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Every time I see one of your semi-literate,bile-filled posts,this picture comes to mind!
Hope you have turned off your ignore function,as well as your brain.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Verhofstad.......'red velvet cakeism'
Baldseagull
Well-known member
The ******* knows this is not a realistic comparison, but is convinced that the public is stupid enough to be taken in by it, annoyingly, he seems to be right about that.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
If Brexit turns out as predicted by the doom merchants then I'm sure a party will stand on a 'taking us back in' ticket at some point in the future so Brexit isn't irreversible. The real problem is many on the losing side never accepted the result and are not willing to even give it a chance.
That moment came and went when Cameron tried to renegotiate terms of our membership and came back with very little. Proving how delusional the view of Leading from within truly is.
Politicians that are all from the Remain side and think it acceptable to dilute Brexit to a point where they will probably end up saying it's hardly worth leaving now … lets call the whole thing off. No wonder they are getting stick.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
As I said before, half in is better than fully out, it isn't my desire, just not as bad as the worst alternative.
nicko31
Well-known member
This is our foreign secretary, its a worry
Baldseagull
Well-known member
After we have left, returning to the EU with the same status we have now, rebates, vetoes etc. is highly unlikely, so once we are out it is not reversible to our current standing. If we reverse now, we keep the current status, for as long as we want to, without the need to deepen the relationship, with the need to have a referendum on any new treaty or treaty change that did deepen the relationship as is in law.
You know this.
highflyer
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- Jan 21, 2016
- 2,553
The governments problem is that there is a real risk that the 'half a kneecapping' option presented by Labour is likely to tempt the strongest pro-EU Conservatives to rebel and they will not be able to hold the line that they have taken.
I do agree with you that, when you look at the detail Labour seems to have moved less than it might at first appear. The idea of being in 'a' customs union, but retaining an independent voice in trade negotiations may be hard to sell to the EU (it would be an ideal option if it could be achieved though - the lack of transparency in how the EU negotiates trade deals has always been a problem and does open the process to behind the scenes corporate lobbying).
In my (not very informed) view this is a risky, but potentially clever, move by Labour. Let's see what happens now...
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,772
Oh Well,
20 Months after the vote and no sign of any trade negotiations outside of the EU even beginning
8th December 1st phase agreement now being put into legislation (Here For those who have forgotten)
Announcement this week of what we are actually going to ask of the EU on trading
No agreement on extension/implementation period
And 13 months to go
Next few weeks could be interesting
Tick f***ing Tock indeed
20 Months after the vote and no sign of any trade negotiations outside of the EU even beginning
8th December 1st phase agreement now being put into legislation (Here For those who have forgotten)
Announcement this week of what we are actually going to ask of the EU on trading
No agreement on extension/implementation period
And 13 months to go
Next few weeks could be interesting
Tick f***ing Tock indeed
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JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
Yes, the terms would be different but the point is once enacted, Brexit (leaving the EU) is not irreversible.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
I concur. But you must agree, if we are in 15 years time EU members, we would almost certainly be in a better position if we remained, rather than left and came back.
I get the sense (when you are posting your true thoughts, and not just your wind up stuff) that you are hopeful, rather than certain that Brexit would be an economic success. I also get the sense that being a little bit better or worse off economically is not what concerns you with Brexit, but I can't work out what it really is you want, what it is that for you, will mean Brexit was a success? I don't mean the no ECJ rules, or control of immigration, I mean what will be different materially about Britain?
Garry Nelson's teacher
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I'm genuinely beginning to worry that the guy lives in some sort of parallel universe.
Garry Nelson's teacher
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"The real problem is many on the losing side never accepted the result and are not willing to even give it a chance." Well that's one way to frame it. But it isn't really a matter of just being a bad loser. It's seeing that the case was flawed, misrepresented and that in the cold light of day it looks worse with every turn of events. It's like watching a car crash in slow motion. But I'll await Dr Fox's speech today and then Mrs May's on Friday and search for realistic grounds for optimism. We've had naff-all so far.
nicko31
Well-known member
Looks like 2 interest rate rises as a minimum this year. Gotta love this inflation. Is this the Brexit dividend?
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
I doubt Mogg and Bozo the clown will be opening a packet of cheese and onion , just the poor MUGS who believed them and want BREXIT
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Garry Nelson's teacher
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Just listened to Fox's speech. I'll say one thing for him: it was several miles better than that of Boris, although that sets the bar a bit low.
There was a lot of forward looking stuff and metrics of new markets and therefore (arguably) opportunities. But some of the metrics were 30 years away eg the growth of the African middle class. There was a lot of crowing about the capabilities of UK businesses to take advantage of new opportunities - eg digital trading. Yet he didn't mention the obvious: that these capabilities have been developed while we've been in the EU.
He did gives us an insight into some of the work that his department has been doing behind the scenes and this at least showed that there has been a degree of proactivity in the approach. But it did seem to be bits and pieces and I'm not sure how much it adds up to.
There was a lot of Bojo type stuff about the UK 'leading' the new global trading landscape. Well I suppose you either believe that or you don't. And you might need someone serious as Foreign Secretary for a start.
Unless I missed something, the ONLY specific case that he referred to was the benefit to the UK brewing industry and its spectacular improvement in sales to South Korea following a trading agreement. Great news! But this agreement was negotiated via the EU (which he did reference)!
In my view it was better than I expected but woefully short on the sort of evidence we'd need to take the Big Gamble. Others might find more substance to feast on but to me it would take a massive leap of faith for anyone to be convinced by this. And meanwhile, forget the ambitious global pretensions - we can't even sort out the Northern Irish issue in our own back yard.
There was a lot of forward looking stuff and metrics of new markets and therefore (arguably) opportunities. But some of the metrics were 30 years away eg the growth of the African middle class. There was a lot of crowing about the capabilities of UK businesses to take advantage of new opportunities - eg digital trading. Yet he didn't mention the obvious: that these capabilities have been developed while we've been in the EU.
He did gives us an insight into some of the work that his department has been doing behind the scenes and this at least showed that there has been a degree of proactivity in the approach. But it did seem to be bits and pieces and I'm not sure how much it adds up to.
There was a lot of Bojo type stuff about the UK 'leading' the new global trading landscape. Well I suppose you either believe that or you don't. And you might need someone serious as Foreign Secretary for a start.
Unless I missed something, the ONLY specific case that he referred to was the benefit to the UK brewing industry and its spectacular improvement in sales to South Korea following a trading agreement. Great news! But this agreement was negotiated via the EU (which he did reference)!
In my view it was better than I expected but woefully short on the sort of evidence we'd need to take the Big Gamble. Others might find more substance to feast on but to me it would take a massive leap of faith for anyone to be convinced by this. And meanwhile, forget the ambitious global pretensions - we can't even sort out the Northern Irish issue in our own back yard.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
On Northern Ireland the excreta is going to hit the electrical cooling device tomorrow - https://www.irishtimes.com/news/pol...olerable-interference-in-uk-affairs-1.3407278
nicko31
Well-known member
So what are you going to do about it Diane?