[Politics] Brexit

[Baldseagull]

It's a single Brexiteer on here that links the GE vote to the Brexit vote. It's a ridiculous connection - for starters I voted leave but then voted for Peter Kyle which immediately shows what a daft connection it is !!!

Your maths seems to be somewhat out as well - in those three seats Labour's vote went up 13.5k not the 23k you claim ( well based on the figures you've posted anyway ).

The majority increase was lower, as the second place vote also had increased numbers, if Labour increased number of votes by 23k but Tories increased number of votes 11k, Labour would have increased lead over Tories by 12k.

 

[Baldseagull]

psst, bickering over Coventry election results, remember the context - the local election results where Labour had just been slapped down, someone wrote an article suggesting Coventry seats were Tory targets... in reality solid red industrial Coventry was never going to return three Tory MPs and Mr Islam is just creating a straw man you're fighting over. yes, Corbyn has done better than the detractors said, we get it. now, whats his solution for Brexit that is going to be accepted by EU?

I don't think the EU would accept the Labour proposal of a customs union that replicates the customs union, one that we would negotiate deals alongside the EU rather than them negotiate on our behalf, as they do for members. The members already have their input and veto over trade deals, Labours proposal is asking for the same but as a separate entity.

 

[Ernest]

and Labour MP Frank Field...

He’s more of a Tory troll than you are. He got sacked from the Blair government for being stupid

 

[vegster]

When is Jezza's Snake Oil sales pitch?

and how long before Labour leave back benchers or those in Northern Brexit constituencies start the back-stabbing?

Marvellous, expecting you to raise your game significantly over the next few weeks as Jezza and Labour become increasingly the voice of common sense and reason.

Have you become one of the hundreds of Twatters employed by the Tories or do you do this for free?

 

[larus]

He's doing it in Coventry. Interesting little stat here just Tweeted by the political editor of Sky News, who I suspect is slightly more clued up on such things than people on this thread including your good self - Coventry voted 56% Leave in 2016, but in last years General Election, that The Tories were going to win by a majority of 100 as they're the only party that can deliver Brexit etc as pointed out numerous occasions by Brexiteers on this thread, 3 Coventry seats, that were supposed to be lost by Labour, went like this:

Coventry North East - Majority of 16k up from 12k
Coventry North West - Majority of 9k up from 4.5k
Coventry South - Majority of 8k up from 3k

In those 3 seats the UKIP vote went down by 15k, Tory vote went up by 11k, and Labour went up by 23k - that despite Labour's manifesto clearly stating “same benefits” as customs union and single market.

It's a single Brexiteer on here that links the GE vote to the Brexit vote. It's a ridiculous connection - for starters I voted leave but then voted for Peter Kyle which immediately shows what a daft connection it is !!!

Your maths seems to be somewhat out as well - in those three seats Labour's vote went up 13.5k not the 23k you claim ( well based on the figures you've posted anyway ).

I think you're both missing the point slightly.

He's comparing majority (number of votes they win by) and then the total number of votes cast for the party.

 

[larus]

He’s more of a Tory troll than you are. He got sacked from the Blair government for being stupid

I'm not a Labour supporter, but there's no way any reasonable person could ever accuse Frank Field of being stupid or Tory. Your problem is that you really are too thick (or maybe just a troll) to understand that people can have genuine positions which are different to you, and they do this based on their own sound reasoning and logic.

Frank Field has always come across as a decent politician IMO.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Marvellous, expecting you to raise your game significantly over the next few weeks as Jezza and Labour become increasingly the voice of common sense and reason.

Have you become one of the hundreds of Twatters employed by the Tories or do you do this for free?

Labour as well as some Tories are not respecting the result of the referendum. We voted to Leave the EU, we didn't vote to go back on, it cannot be clearer than that. Not a lot more to say about it really. If Brexit doesn't happen it would be an absolute disgrace.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Labour as well as some Tories are not respecting the result of the referendum. We voted to Leave the EU, we didn't vote to go back on, it cannot be clearer than that. Not a lot more to say about it really. If Brexit doesn't happen it would be an absolute disgrace.

...unless, of course, people vote for it not to happen.

 

[Ernest]

I'm not a Labour supporter, but there's no way any reasonable person could ever accuse Frank Field of being stupid or Tory. Your problem is that you really are too thick (or maybe just a troll) to understand that people can have genuine positions which are different to you, and they do this based on their own sound reasoning and logic.

Frank Field has always come across as a decent politician IMO.

And you just show how little you know

 

[Titanic]

Jezza is delivering this speech like he has never seen the text before... who wrote it??

 

[Titanic]

It is all straw men and dog whistles so far... where's the beef?

 

[Moshe Gariani]

A national education service to fill the skills gap.

Stronger employment law to protect workers.

Internationalism, solidarity and equality.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

4 major threats that have to be tackled by working together with our closest allies.

 

[vegster]

Jezza is delivering this speech like he has never seen the text before... who wrote it??

Has the set collapsed behind him or has someone given him a P 45? Those are benchmarks for a successful Tory speech.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Has the set collapsed behind him or has someone given him a P 45? Those are benchmarks for a successful Tory speech.

Corbyn has let a lot of Labour leave voters down today.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Corbyn has let of Labour leave voters down today.

Corbyn, Starmer, Thornberry - London metropolitan elite clearly going against the millions of Labour supporters in the North who voted Leave.

 

[beorhthelm]

so i gather that Corbyn's suggestion is to leave the EU without leaving the customs union or the single market.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Corbyn has let a lot of Labour leave voters down today.

John Mann MP who along with his constituency voted leave disagrees with that - he liked it.

 

[vegster]

It is all straw men and dog whistles so far... where's the beef?

Surely you are aware that JC is a vegetarian?

 

[ManOfSussex]

Gideon putting the knife in The Tories again.

The Labour leader has, with the smallest of nudges, manoeuvred himself into a more pro-business, pro-free trade European policy than the Tory Government.

He has also opened up the looming prospect of the Prime Minister suffering a huge defeat in the Commons, as the number of Tory MPs who agree with remaining in a customs union grows each week.

The Evening Standard has warned consistently that this would happen since the moment the last election result became clear.

So did the Chancellor of the Exchequer, many sensible Cabinet members, business groups, Tory peers and backbench MPs.

But the warnings were ignored and the Conservative leadership instead chose to appease the hardcore Brexiteers, obsessed with the ideological purity of their experiment and — in some cases — openly willing to lose an election, if that’s the price of pursuing it.

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