[Politics] Brexit

[Lincoln Imp]

I give up. I am leaving this shit hole of a country. You can keep it.

Don't go. Good people are needed.

 

[Baldseagull]

Well no, because the proposal(if agreed) is if you already live and work there you will be entitled to a permanent residence card immediately, allowing freedom of movement, and not having to wait the current 5 years, and keeping it if you are in keeping with the requirements in Citizens’ Rights Directive .The EU are talking about loss of permanent residence for UK citizens when we have left and reverting to residence and protected rights only in the state you are living in. Someone turning up in Spain after brexit and chancing his luck would not be able to prove residency prior to brexit, in the same way someone arriving here after brexit wont be able to prove they have been here prior to brexit and apply for settled status But yes the citizen option to a single country is one that is open to those who have been there years, but obviously the entitlement to this is only in accordance to the particular requirements of each country a person is living in.
This issue might play for a while yet especially now the ECJ have been asked to comment on citizens rights of UK nationals already living in the EU.
People not being able to vote is irrelevant as to the issue at hand, it has no bearing on the outcome.

Not having a vote on an issue that affects your rights, perhaps more than most others, is not relevant?
The freedom to live and work in another EU country is a right of EU citizens, after we leave Brits in Spain are not EU citizens. They have made lives there, as EU citizens have made lives here, both should be able to continue those lives, but starting a new one in another EU country is something else. This is exactly why they should all have had a say.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You are one sad person.

Why is he a sad person?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

someone arriving here after brexit wont be able to prove they have been here prior to brexit and apply for settled status

But for some bizarre and inexplicable reason the U.K. has no register of citizens resident in the U.K. What’s to stop people rocking up and saying they were hear?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Oh dear pressure getting to shystier

I agree, poor David Davis.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

UK trade deficit grows as oil price rise pushes up cost of fuel imports
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ws-oil-price-rise-pushes-up-cost-fuel-imports


“Britain’s trade position with the world worsened in December as rising global oil prices pushed up the cost of importing fuel, while the continuing weakness of the pound failed to lift sales of UK-made goods abroad.
The difference between the value of goods and services imported to Britain and sold overseas widened by £1.2bn from November to £4.9bn in December, according to the Office for National Statistics.”

 

[BigGully]

UK trade deficit grows as oil price rise pushes up cost of fuel imports
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ws-oil-price-rise-pushes-up-cost-fuel-imports


“Britain’s trade position with the world worsened in December as rising global oil prices pushed up the cost of importing fuel, while the continuing weakness of the pound failed to lift sales of UK-made goods abroad.
The difference between the value of goods and services imported to Britain and sold overseas widened by £1.2bn from November to £4.9bn in December, according to the Office for National Statistics.”

You did this last week with your Markit/CIPS survey that gave you a headline but the detail just didnt stack up same with this one, at some point you and your cronies might need to stop posting links by The Guardian if you have a serious point to make, I never post a link from The Daily Mail even if it shows something I think might be worthwhile it is too quickly dismissed, I think you might want to consider this when you post the next daily snippet of anti UK economic news that doesn't really exist.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43002905

However, the ONS said UK's manufacturing sector, which is part of overall industrial output, saw output rise by 0.3% on the month, marking the eighth consecutive month of growth in the sector - the longest run in almost 30 years.

Further ONS data showed construction output also rose, by 1.6%, in December.

The latest official data is not expected to alter the views expressed by the Bank of England on Thursday that UK growth is improving and may lead to the need for a rise in interest rates relatively soon.

Samuel Tombs, chief UK economist at Pantheon Macroeconomics, said industrial production for the final quarter of 2017 was slightly lower than the 0.6% rise incorporated in the preliminary estimate of GDP.

However, he added: "Taken alongside December's stronger-than-estimated construction data, today's releases do not imply that that quarter-on-quarter GDP growth in Q4 will be revised down from 0.5%."

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You did this last week with your Markit/CIPS survey that gave you a headline but the detail just didnt stack up same with this one, at some point you and your cronies might need to stop posting links by The Guardian if you have a serious point to make, I never post a link from The Daily Mail even if it shows something I think might be worthwhile it is too quickly dismissed, I think you might want to consider this when you post the next daily snippet of anti UK economic news that doesn't really exist.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43002905

However, the ONS said UK's manufacturing sector, which is part of overall industrial output, saw output rise by 0.3% on the month, marking the eighth consecutive month of growth in the sector - the longest run in almost 30 years.

Further ONS data showed construction output also rose, by 1.6%, in December.

The latest official data is not expected to alter the views expressed by the Bank of England on Thursday that UK growth is improving and may lead to the need for a rise in interest rates relatively soon.

Samuel Tombs, chief UK economist at Pantheon Macroeconomics, said industrial production for the final quarter of 2017 was slightly lower than the 0.6% rise incorporated in the preliminary estimate of GDP.

However, he added: "Taken alongside December's stronger-than-estimated construction data, today's releases do not imply that that quarter-on-quarter GDP growth in Q4 will be revised down from 0.5%."

We can all identify microcosms of the economy which are doing well and buck the overall trend. Its patently obvious there will,always be a few exceptions. It’s the rest of the economy you need to also consider....... you can’t argue with the fact the U.K. trade deficit as a whole has grown.

 

[The Clamp]

You did this last week with your Markit/CIPS survey that gave you a headline but the detail just didnt stack up same with this one, at some point you and your cronies might need to stop posting links by The Guardian if you have a serious point to make, I never post a link from The Daily Mail even if it shows something I think might be worthwhile it is too quickly dismissed, I think you might want to consider this when you post the next daily snippet of anti UK economic news that doesn't really exist.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43002905

However, the ONS said UK's manufacturing sector, which is part of overall industrial output, saw output rise by 0.3% on the month, marking the eighth consecutive month of growth in the sector - the longest run in almost 30 years.

Further ONS data showed construction output also rose, by 1.6%, in December.

The latest official data is not expected to alter the views expressed by the Bank of England on Thursday that UK growth is improving and may lead to the need for a rise in interest rates relatively soon.

Samuel Tombs, chief UK economist at Pantheon Macroeconomics, said industrial production for the final quarter of 2017 was slightly lower than the 0.6% rise incorporated in the preliminary estimate of GDP.

However, he added: "Taken alongside December's stronger-than-estimated construction data, today's releases do not imply that that quarter-on-quarter GDP growth in Q4 will be revised down from 0.5%."

The fact you even think the Guardian is some left wing equivalent of The Mail marks you out as, what was the word used a while back? Spacktard? Can't remember, anyway whatever it was, you're one.

 

[BigGully]

We can all identify microcosms of the economy which are doing well and buck the overall trend. Its patently obvious there will,always be a few exceptions. It’s the rest of the economy you need to also consider....... you can’t argue with the fact the U.K. trade deficit as a whole has grown.

Again take that up with Samuel Tombs, chief UK economist at Pantheon Macroeconomics not me, he said:

Taken alongside December's stronger-than-estimated construction data, today's releases do not imply that that quarter-on-quarter GDP growth in Q4 will be revised down from 0.5%."

Its another failed example of you posting economic data that then doesn't stand up to scrutiny, actually Brexit wasn't even mentioned in the BBC report.

 

[BigGully]

The fact you even think the Guardian is some left wing equivalent of The Mail marks you out as, what was the word used a while back? Spacktard? Can't remember, anyway whatever it was, you're one.

Well as the resident clown and someone who posted that we were currently in a recession, your view has long not mattered.

 

[The Clamp]

Well as the resident clown and someone who posted that we were currently in a recession, your view has long not mattered.

Whevs. Keep up the good work

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Again take that up with Samuel Tombs, chief UK economist at Pantheon Macroeconomics not me, he said:

Taken alongside December's stronger-than-estimated construction data, today's releases do not imply that that quarter-on-quarter GDP growth in Q4 will be revised down from 0.5%."

Its another failed example of you posting economic data that then doesn't stand up to scrutiny, actually Brexit wasn't even mentioned in the BBC report.

You don’t fully understand what you’ve posted do you? You thought it grew. And if you really do want to use this post maybe the detail will help you: December might have been stronger than expected but it was still a DECLINE. It fell by 0.7%. Maybe this was not as bad a drop as expected, ie stronger, but it’s still a decline and also the third successive quarterly decline. https://www.ft.com/content/5bc3a854-0d79-11e8-839d-41ca06376bf2 Just look at 2017 in the FT plot. Down, down, down.

And all Samual Tombs is saying is that this further decline possibly won’t effect the growth figure for the U.K. as a whole. Given construction is only 6% of the economy I can see why this is.

This is a genuine question, did you truly and genuinely make your post in the belief you were demonstrating that overall the trade deficit has not grown? Because that was what you were challenging. Re-read what you quoted. It doesn’t do anything of the sort.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Well as the resident clown and someone who posted that we were currently in a recession, your view has long not mattered.

I’m sure [MENTION=33848]The Clamp[/MENTION] understands the difference between growth and decline though.

 

[BigGully]

You don’t fully understand what you’ve posted do you? You thought it grew. And if you really do want to use this post maybe the detail will help you: December might have been stronger than expected but it was still a DECLINE. It fell by 0.7%. Maybe this was not as bad a drop as expected, ie stronger, but it’s still a decline and also the third successive quarterly decline. https://www.ft.com/content/5bc3a854-0d79-11e8-839d-41ca06376bf2 Just look at 2017 in the FT plot. Down, down, down.

And all Samual Tombs is saying is that this further decline possibly won’t effect the growth figure for the U.K. as a whole. Given construction is only 6% of the economy I can see why this is.

This is a genuine question, did you truly and genuinely make your post in the belief you were demonstrating that overall the trade deficit has not grown? Because that was what you were challenging. Re-read what you quoted. It doesn’t do anything of the sort.

It was you posting a link stating that the deficit grew it was just an example where you post a singular set of data to imply that this is then a Brexit induced consequence that shows the UK's economic fragility, but once you factor in other more positive economic data it doesnt suggest anything like that.

Those quotes were lifted as a balance on the same report of other more positive economic indicators, something you choose to ignore or probably not aware of.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

It was you posting a link stating that the deficit grew it was just an example where you post a singular set of data to imply that this is then a Brexit induced consequence that shows the UK's economic fragility, but once you factor in other more positive economic data it doesnt suggest anything like that.

Those quotes were lifted as a balance on the same report of other more positive economic indicators, something you choose to ignore or probably not aware of.

But it wasn’t a single set of data I posted. It was for all goods and services. You’re not making any sense and clearly do not understand what you yourself, or I, am posting so I give up.

 

[WATFORD zero]

It was you posting a link stating that the deficit grew it was just an example where you post a singular set of data to imply that this is then a Brexit induced consequence that shows the UK's economic fragility, but once you factor in other more positive economic data it doesnt suggest anything like that.

Those quotes were lifted as a balance on the same report of other more positive economic indicators, something you choose to ignore or probably not aware of.

So you didn't misinterpret the report, pastafrian didn't leave his porn links in his screen shot, the Brexit negotiations are going well and the economy is doing wonderfully

 

[BigGully]

But it wasn’t a single set of data I posted. It was for all goods and services. You’re not making any sense and clearly do not understand what you yourself, or I, am posting so I give up.

Why did you post it ?

It was your usual effort to show that the UK economy is struggling as a consequence of the referendum vote, but it actually isnt, ask your latest best mate Mark Carney, the Bank of England has just ungraded growth forecasts, in the latest report from the they MPC doesn't mention the increased deficit, yet you decided to post it as some sort of relevant indicator, well it isn't and our economy continues to grow, get use to it.

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy-summary-and-minutes/2018/february-2018

 

[dingodan]

Wheel leaf.

 

[BigGully]

So you didn't misinterpret the report, pastafrian didn't leave his porn links in his screen shot, the Brexit negotiations are going well and the economy is doing wonderfully

and the U.K. economy is tanking, the pound is collapsing, unemployment rising we are currently in recession and December's widening of the deficit is shows that the UK's economy is failing .......................................