[Politics] Brexit

[Kinky Gerbil]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news...er-of-brexit-high-stakes-after-talks-11241558

More fake news?

 

[Baldseagull]

I think most billionaires spend most of their time trying to find ways to avoid paying tax. Hence they are mega rich. A bit like the coffee shops and search engines etc etc

It will be easier for them here after Brexit.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

i look forward to joining that list.

Er, you're already on it. You have voted to remove yourself from it in March 2019 though.

 

[pastafarian]

I'd be interested to get some Leave voters opinions on this one:

I was listening to a current series on R4 where the presenter travels around the smaller, urban areas of Britain. Passing by the larger conurbations such as Manchester and heading to places such and the example I give, Middlesborough.
Middlesborough has been going through a regeneration process, improving it's industry, infrastructure, and indeed , its reputation.
A young businessman was interviewed who owns a games company called Sock Monkey.
He and his team of 9 developers had a £400,000 grant to build and release the game called Check Out. It had been tipped to succeed along the lines angry birds or the fruit one.
The money came from an EU regeneration pot that was heavily funding the regeneration projects and trying to boost local industry after the collapse of their iron works in the 80's and 90's. Funds that none of our successive governments would put into such a project. UK governments had left the now unemployed workforce to the mercy of the gig economy.

Anyway, on the day article 50 was triggered the guys at Sock Monkey received a call telling them the funding was being withdrawn. It was European Union money and the UK was no longer entitled to it.
Maybe a bit spiteful but the result is the same.
The games company had to lay off 6 of its staff and it is unlikely to ever get more funding and will probably fold.
Middlesborough voted overwhelmingly to Leave the EU. The EU were helping them to rebuild their community after the collapse of manafacturing industry. Now it is unlikely there will be any industry to replace it.
The EU fund was there to help companies like Sock Monkey exploit the digital boom and regenerate areas and as the company owner said, they didn't realise they were voting their future's away.
That scenario will be being replicated all over the U.K. and our Tory Government has no stated intention to replace the EU funds and help these communities.

That is a direct result of Brexit. Unequivocally. Where is all this supposed manafacturing and industry supposed to come from to support our country outside of the EU?

Eh? WTF
I listened to this in the car, It was the R4 piece with Will Self, but the broadcast doesn’t resemble what you apparently heard and have repeated on here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09qcznf

Where did it say in this broadcast that the company was told they were refused funding because “UK was no longer entitled to it”....... Ummm nowhere, all that was mentioned was they received notice they had not secured funding on the same day as A50, which is nothing more than a coincidence when you consider applications are still open today for game development funding as well as grants for digital start ups.

Where did it say in the broadcast that the company “ is unlikely to ever get more funding and will probably fold” ........Ummm nowhere. Future funding for game development was never mentioned let alone recognised as no longer possible and far from saying they would probably fold, the owner had said instead of the 2 or 3 months time they would have looked at for release for the game with funding now they are looking at next year instead for release, nothing about folding at all.

It was never mentioned "the money came from a EU regeneration pot" either. The business owner clearly called it a publishing deal that no doubt EU funding was obviously going to help them complete. If you are seeking EU funding for development of a single game though its far more likely you will seek funding from Creative Europe and the associated video game development pot not a regeneration pot which is entirely different and for different purposes( and which incidentally they had initially received as a start up(£4000) but no longer obviously qualified for), Im not sure that the game which was described as a VR game of going round a supermarket smashing shit up meets the criteria though where any game worth funding must have a

“high level of originality, innovative and creative value, cultural diversity and enhanced Europe’s cultural identity and heritage compared to existing mainstream works”

Im not surprised they didn’t meet the criteria and were declined funding. Angry birds my arse…….which by the way wasn’t mentioned either so ” had been tipped to succeed along the lines of angry birds” is invented by you too.

All in all quite a work of embellished project fear/bullcrap/fiction from you yet again.
Mis-representation is fast becoming a disease amongst you remainers as you run out of ideas on how to stop brexit.

Oh, and yes my opinion of your version of the broadcast is you are full of crap and cant listen to a simple radio broadcast without your blinkers kicking in and hearing only what you want to hear. No wonder you are so gullible.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

So in conclusion no similarity with the events surrounding brexit and Nazi Germany. Just as I originally thought then.

Incidently ,The best read I have had on the subject on how their beginnings as a workers socialist movement transformed into something very different and sinister and the people and events who were key to the madness was Albert Speers autobiography Inside the Third Reich , the whole craziness of it straight from the horses mouth, so to speak.

Thank you. I was never talking about anything other than the persuasion techniques. You reached for your gun too early.

 

[Baldseagull]

Really like the your final line. When I used to visit Brussels in the 1990s, the usual take on the British was one of benign perplexity; they couldn't really see our problem with the EU. Obviously this was post-Thatcher and Maastricht and the view tended to be 'why do you stay on the sidelines and not fully engage' - and often contrasted with Ireland who got their sleeves rolled up, jumped on every funding bandwagon, got their people in all the key positons and punched far above their weight.
I don't think we've ever as a nation 'got it'. I for one (and as a 'No' in 1975) never saw it ending quite this way but perhaps it was always destined to end in tears (of laughter for some on this thread, sadness for others).

Our politics as a whole is too confrontational, neither major party is interested in finding any common ground and having a consensus of opinion on any issue, they seek division.

 

[pastafarian]

British group wins right to take Brexit case to European court

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-right-to-take-brexit-case-to-european-court

Nice to see the ECJ is looking after us unlike our treacherous British government.

Interesting. There is indeed still a sticking point over citizens rights surrounding free movement to be resolved.
The treacherous British government wants UK nationals already living in the EU(not those arriving into EU after brexit) to retain freedom of movement rights across the EU, the same as other EU citizens. The EU insists they (people like you) must lose freedom of movement rights and be landlocked to the EU country they reside in on brexit day.

Do you think this court hearing by the ECJ from the UK nationals already living in Holland will force the EU to back down to the treacherous British gov demands on this and let you retain your current freedom of movement rights like those Brits already in Holland want?

 

[pastafarian]

Thank you. I was never talking about anything other than the persuasion techniques. You reached for your gun too early.

Persuasion techniques which have no similarity to Nazi Germany either. Im glad we are in agreement there is no similarity to Nazi Germany and events surrounding Brexit. usual suspects may disagree of course.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Persuasion techniques which have no similarity to Nazi Germany either. Im glad we are in agreement there is no similarity to Nazi Germany and events surrounding Brexit. usual suspects may disagree of course.

It was all going so well too. Whilst the specifics differed the persuasion approaches had certain things in common.

 

[portslade seagull]

It will be easier for them here after Brexit.

Not if Corbyn gets in, but all should be looking at closing these ever widening loop holes that allow them to evade paying their dues

 

[dingodan]

Not if Corbyn gets in, but all should be looking at closing these ever widening loop holes that allow them to evade paying their dues

Corbyn could start by not paying £1M rent to a tax exempt off shore company for Labours London HQ.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...cils-offshore-Jeremy-Corbyn-Sefton-Warrington

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Ministers admit almost 65 existing trade deals with non-EU countries are ‘at risk because of Brexit’

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...roline-lucas-theresa-may-latest-a8201596.html

Chile, Israel, Egypt Mexico, Russia, South Korea, Switzerland and Turkey are among the 65-odd countries with which the UK currently enjoys trade deals, because of EU membership.

Unless a deal is reached to keep the UK fully covered by the agreements, Britain risks being bound by the obligations imposed - without enjoying any of the benefits.

This Tory government haven't got a clue what they are doing.

 

[GT49er]

Ministers admit almost 65 existing trade deals with non-EU countries are ‘at risk because of Brexit’

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...roline-lucas-theresa-may-latest-a8201596.html

Chile, Israel, Egypt Mexico, Russia, South Korea, Switzerland and Turkey are among the 65-odd countries with which the UK currently enjoys trade deals, because of EU membership.

Unless a deal is reached to keep the UK fully covered by the agreements, Britain risks being bound by the obligations imposed - without enjoying any of the benefits.

This Tory government haven't got a clue what they are doing.

Splendid pro-Remain piece in the pro-Remain Independent. It will delight Remainers everywhere. What is really funny is the string of comments of frustrated entitlement after the article -they really are worth reading if you like a good laugh. One little snowflake has even managed to get 'Brexshiteers' (yes, I kid you not) and 'Little Englanders' into the same rant and he/she is not even the most desperate. It's like a little remainers convention all reinforcing each other's views and patting each other on the back.

Oh well, the f**k Eurovision thread was much more fun - so I'm back to have a look at that again. This one has really got tedious.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Darlington

 

[nicko31]

Darlington

FFS angry northern Brexiteers on steriods

After toinghts performance, thank god we never have to play them again

 

[pastafarian]

What a knob Christian is.
Best forecast yet by a remainer by a country mile though from him.
1 in 6 jobs will be lost........what a wally

 

[nicko31]

What a knob Christian is.
Best forecast yet by a remainer by a country mile though from him.
1 in 6 jobs will be lost........what a wally

Haven't seen a performance like that since the Word in 1990.

He missed an open goal tonight, a shocking week for Brexiteers as the rudderless ship drifts closer to the icebergs.

 

[pastafarian]

Haven't seen a performance like that since the Word in 1990.

He missed an open goal tonight, a shocking week for Brexiteers as the rudderless ship drifts closer to the icebergs.

Agree, hysterical remoaners like him always shoot wide of the mark.
1 in 6 job losses was a comedy gold forecast too.......is he reading palms for a living nowadays?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

FFS angry northern Brexiteers on steriods

After toinghts performance, thank god we never have to play them again

That youngish girl channeling Dierdre Barlow who went more and more beetroot the further her point rambled on and drifted away

And that Tory twit who dismissed everyones economic predictions who subsequently made his own predictions based on some anecdotal evidence he has about the north east.

The North East needs help, and it’s not just economic help.

 

[pastafarian]

That youngish girl channeling Dierdre Barlow who went more and more beetroot the further her point rambled on and drifted away

And that Tory twit who dismissed everyones economic predictions who subsequently made his own predictions based on some anecdotal evidence he has about the north east.

The North East needs help, and it’s not just economic help.

I felt a little sorry for her yes, clearly not comfortable with speaking in front of a crowd and struggled somewhat to get her point across, but she felt it important enough to engage in the debate and try in a polite collected way. I wouldn’t laugh at her though or anyone from an opposing side either speaking in public if they were doing it in a reasoned manner.
Beats the hell out of twits whose idea of getting involved is to don a balaclava and to interrupt, disrupt, scream and shout so debate is stifled like Corbyns rent a mob goons.
Wouldn’t you agree?