[Politics] Brexit

[Blue Valkyrie]

Better to laugh than cry - and the spectacle of the ongoing clown car crash is very "re-musing".

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

the frothing continues
regards
DR

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

But I thought if the ECJ had any role post Brexit then it wasn't a real Brexit and there'd be rioting on the streets of Cleethorpes?

Agree. I guess May will have to explain this one to the denizens of Cleethorpes and Stoke.

 

[ManOfSussex]

The Brexiteers hero isn't too happy about all this. He might have to put on his Rupert The Bear trousers and go down the pub and moan about the smoking ban being political correctness gone completely mad, or something.

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[Pavilionaire]

If NI stays within the EU Single Market then that opens up the possibility of GB businesses relocating from Eng / Sco / Wales to Northern Ireland in order to stay in the Single Market and tariff-free.

And if NI is granted special status then that will spell the end of the United Kingdom as we know it. Future generations growing up in a more secular environment without The Troubles but with EU control are much more likely to vote to leave the UK and join an arrangement with the Republic.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

If NI stays within the EU Single Market then that opens up the possibility of GB businesses relocating from Eng / Sco / Wales to Northern Ireland in order to stay in the Single Market and tariff-free.

I don’t think they’d necessarily relocate. I presume one could just register the business there? A good work around.

 

[Pavilionaire]

There is also a report saying the UK have given the EU pretty much what they wanted re the rights of EU citizens as well. So, in summary, the the government has caved in on all three initial Brexit items.

So that's 50 million Euros to the EU, Northern Ireland remains in the EU and ECJ rules over EU citizens in the UK. When May said this would be a red, white and blue Brexit I thought she was referring to the Union Jack and not the French Tricoleur.

Total shambles.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

If NI stays within the EU Single Market then that opens up the possibility of GB businesses relocating from Eng / Sco / Wales to Northern Ireland in order to stay in the Single Market and tariff-free.

And if NI is granted special status then that will spell the end of the United Kingdom as we know it. Future generations growing up in a more secular environment without The Troubles but with EU control are much more likely to vote to leave the UK and join an arrangement with the Republic.

fantasy land at best !
regards
DR

 

[Pavilionaire]

I don’t think they’d necessarily relocate. I presume one could just register the business there? A good work around.

NI has just received £1 billion from the Treasury for DUP support, and now they'll be allowed to preserve EU trading status and no hard border. Best day for Norn Iron since Gerry Armstrong sunk the Spanish in '82.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

There is also a report saying the UK have given the EU pretty much what they wanted re the rights of EU citizens as well. So, in summary, the the government has caved in on all three initial Brexit items.

It's strange - at the start remainers were banging on how the government needed to negotiate - negotiate usually means both sides having a starting point and both sides moving towards a middle ground. EU wanted £100bn, UK wanted to pay nothing. It would appear both sides have moved on this. EU wanted complete freedom of movement and rights enforced by ECJ, the UK wanted none. Allegedly a deal has been struck that presumably allows everyone some rights but not enforced by the ECJ.

So the government and the EU have negotiated and yet the remainers are moaning that they have done so. Be nice if they could come up with a consistent stance.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

So that's 50 million Euros to the EU, Northern Ireland remains in the EU and ECJ rules over EU citizens in the UK. When May said this would be a red, white and blue Brexit I thought she was referring to the Union Jack and not the French Tricoleur.

Total shambles.

Clearly the red, white and blue are the colours of the Norway flag.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

It's strange - at the start remainers were banging on how the government needed to negotiate - negotiate usually means both sides having a starting point and both sides moving towards a middle ground. EU wanted £100bn, UK wanted to pay nothing. It would appear both sides have moved on this. EU wanted complete freedom of movement and rights enforced by ECJ, the UK wanted none. Allegedly a deal has been struck that presumably allows everyone some rights but not enforced by the ECJ.

So the government and the EU have negotiated and yet the remainers are moaning that they have done so. Be nice if they could come up with a consistent stance.

I’m not moaning. If there was to be a Brexit then the Norway model is fine with me.

 

[Titanic]

There is also a report saying the UK have given the EU pretty much what they wanted re the rights of EU citizens as well. So, in summary, the the government has caved in on all three initial Brexit items.

Which is different in what way from what the UK government wanted in the first place?

 

[Titanic]

It's strange - at the start remainers were banging on how the government needed to negotiate - negotiate usually means both sides having a starting point and both sides moving towards a middle ground. EU wanted £100bn, UK wanted to pay nothing. It would appear both sides have moved on this. EU wanted complete freedom of movement and rights enforced by ECJ, the UK wanted none. Allegedly a deal has been struck that presumably allows everyone some rights but not enforced by the ECJ.

So the government and the EU have negotiated and yet the remainers are moaning that they have done so. Be nice if they could come up with a consistent stance.

No a chance. Moan at everything. That's all they have got.

 

[ManOfSussex]

A real strong and stable female leader has waded into it now.

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[Hotchilidog]

Norway model here we come.

A rare foray into this thread for me, but the Norway option is looking like the more sesnsible option now that NI will be in convergence with EU Regulations, otherwise they will be cut off from the rest of the UK. I cannot see Unionists being happy with this deal at all as it basically strengthens ties with the Republic but weakens them with the UK mainland.

There were plenty of brexiteers during the campaign that voiced support for retaining membership of the single market and customs union I wonder if their voices may now be heard above the cut-off our nose to spite our face rabble currently making themselves heard.

It seems odd to me that a party that has wrapped itself in the Union flag has done the most to threaten it's survival. If different parts of the UK are thought to be getting preferential treatment as result of Brexit then the Union will once again be under threat. This a complete and utter shambles.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

A rare foray into this thread for me, but the Norway option is looking like the more sesnsible option now that NI will be in convergence with EU Regulations, otherwise they will be cut off from the rest of the UK. I cannot see Unionists being happy with this deal at all as it basically strengthens ties with the Republic but weakens them with the UK mainland.

There were plenty of brexiteers during the campaign that voiced support for retaining membership of the single market and customs union I wonder if their voices may now be heard above the cut-off our nose to spite our face rabble currently making themselves heard.

It seems odd to me that a party that has wrapped itself in the Union flag has done the most to threaten it's survival. If different parts of the UK are thought to be getting preferential treatment as result of Brexit then the Union will once again be under threat. This a complete and utter shambles.

Good points, well made.

 

[beorhthelm]

But I thought if the ECJ had any role post Brexit then it wasn't a real Brexit and there'd be rioting on the streets of Cleethorpes?

i think the more pressing matter if the Brexiteers would accept ECJ role or Customs Union. without those two items they have nothing to claim a victory over, nothing to say "we left the EU". many other areas can and will be conceded, but these two aren't defensible. also think a lot of assumptions are being made based on an agreed draft.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Which is different in what way from what the UK government wanted in the first place?

Where would you like me to start? I guess the customs union and single market are a good place to start? NI being inside is quite different to May’s regular statements the U.K. will not remain inside.

 

[beorhthelm]

If NI stays within the EU Single Market then that opens up the possibility of GB businesses relocating from Eng / Sco / Wales to Northern Ireland in order to stay in the Single Market and tariff-free.

tariffs are covered by the Customs Union, not the Single Market. in a Single Market but outside the Custom union you can still apply tariff rates and into trade deals independently.

I don’t think they’d necessarily relocate. I presume one could just register the business there? A good work around.

yep, as some may have suggested would happen all along, when others prophesied an exodus of companies from UK.