[Politics] Brexit

[Two Professors]

At least the EU remembered Gibraltar.

Whilst conveniently not mentioning Franco's left-overs in Africa.Morocco have frequently asked for them to be returned,but been ignored.Perhaps they could offer membership to Morocco to replace Great Britain?No,probably not,they would spoil the group photos.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

We are not a country like Portugal who would not offer anything and is a net taker. We, with Germany are the big beasts of Europe and will have some clout in negotiations. It is not Europe who holds the Aces.

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The EU has just told May how the talks will be conducted. I guess her success in negotiating them back onto something resembling what she was planning will be an early indicator of the UK's clout?

 

[BigGully]

The EU has just told May how the talks will be conducted. I guess her success in negotiating them back onto something resembling what she was planning will be an early indicator of the "UK's worth?"

Again you have given the EU's response more credence than the UK's trigger letter, as if the EU is the soul arbiter of future outcomes, its not just your reasoned view it seems to be your preferred outcome which by default could harm the UK, it just seems strange to me.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Again you have given the EU's response more credence than the UK's trigger letter, as if the EU is the soul arbiter of future outcomes, its not just your reasoned view it seems to be your preferred outcome which by default could harm the UK, it just seems strange to me.

As I said, any UK "credence" will be very evident very shortly when they negotiate the talks back to the way May wants them to proceed. This will be an early indicator of the UK's strength. Will it not?

 

[GT49er]

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/brexit-doom-mongers-are-holding-us-all-back-w9zh2vl58

She makes some interesting points. Will anyone take this sensible advice/analysis on board, though .....

Damn good article.

 

[vegster]

Its an obvious trait that the Remainers seem totally unable to formulate the UK's worth, to the point that some on here seem to be on the cusp of being 'anti' UK.

[MENTION=11928]vegster[/MENTION] is a prime example, he somehow expects, accepts even demands that the EU use its power to effect our own negotiating positions, whilst when he might sense some UK brinkmanship he is the first to demean its effectiveness and worth.

I'd ease off on the weed mate if I were you, the paranoia and delusions are starting to show. Get help.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Damn good article.

Well I hope you'll both now agree that The Times is a balanced and open newspaper, open to all views and opinions and generally resistant to warped news coverage. The other day I noticed two stories on a news spread that would cheer the most jaundiced Brexit-supporter. Unfortunately there were another five that were rather depressing.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.te...efend-sovereignty-gibraltar-says-michael/amp/

He should never be allowed to be interviewed again, absolute joker.

 

[larus]

Personally, I have no problem if the UK want to use it's military support as a bargaining tool in this.

I'm fed up with the EU thinking this is one way (and the usual suspects on here denigrating the UK at every opportunity). Juncker/Tusk can do one - there's no way we will pay a £60b EU bill. If anyone things that is even remotely likely, then I suggest to go and get your head examined.

I know some of the Reaminers seem to think the wahtever the EU says is sacrosanct, but (I'll try to break this gently), it really isn't. It's often just the opinion of one person (maybe the pissed one lol), and that's it.

THe EU need a deal as they also need access to the City for finance. They need the support of the UK armed forces for defence ( strange that no-one has commented about the wealth of Germany yet it's too f*cking tight to spend on defence as long as this is being funded by others).

Ignore all of the bluster so far. There will be compromise and I can't see the UK agreeing to a large settlement figure without clear indication of the trade deal. It's called negotiation and some people need to realise that public statements are intended to impress their own audiences.

This is going to be along 2 years, but even now the EU are saying that it could take 5 before the UK is out of the EU fully.

 

[W.C.]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.te...efend-sovereignty-gibraltar-says-michael/amp/

He should never be allowed to be interviewed again, absolute joker.

Could not believe I was reading that.

 

[GT49er]

It's called negotiation and some people need to realise that public statements are intended to impress their own audiences.

This, this, this.......

Can it be fixed to the top of each page on this thread in some way?

 

[happypig]

We might be going to war over Gibraltar

According to Michael Howard

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-go-to-war-to-defend-gilbraltar-a3505126.html

Well I say "We" but I'm not going anywhere except on holiday

 

[Lincoln Imp]

According to Michael Howard

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-go-to-war-to-defend-gilbraltar-a3505126.html

Well I say "We" but I'm not going anywhere except on holiday

Ah but we do have our country back. Or bits of it. For the time being.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

We won't, but if he holds any jobs in government he should be sacked

 

[Eeyore]

Stupid comments. I'm sure some Tories would love a military escalation. But it's never going to happen.

What is even more comical is Howard's belief that, if ever such an event occurred, we would stand any chance of defending the Rock against a Western Army based thirty yards away.

 

[dazzer6666]

Bit of a Daily Mail thread headline that. All Howard is saying is that we would if it came to it......maybe.

Gib is an odd little place. Like a forgotten 1970s small English town (complete with English phone boxes, post boxes and police uniforms), now a bit over-run with IT geeks running online gaming companies. If they really wanted to the Spanish could make life extremely difficult (more than they do already) for anyone living or working there simply through border and airspace controls.

 

[happypig]

If they really wanted to the Spanish could make life extremely difficult (more than they do already) for anyone living or working there simply through border and airspace controls.

Like they did before they were members of the EU you mean ?

 

[dazzer6666]

Like they did before they were members of the EU you mean ?

Indeed.....

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Could not believe I was reading that.

Actually, it should be compulsory to interview him every day and give his views the widest-possible coverage.

Meanwhile, I see that Aaron Banks, super-rich city boy and all-round UKIP and Leave campaign funder, reckons that hard times are now round the corner and is intending to put spare dosh into gold. People who listened to him last time round might like to heed his advice again - 'shelter your spare assets in gold, boys - you know it makes sense.' No spare assets? Oh well.

 

[sparkie]

Looks like the article should have been published 1 day earlier.

Complete nonsense.