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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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JCL - the new kid in town
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- Aug 23, 2011
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That doesn't mean a lot more people agree with it but are bright enough to know that being stuck it no mans land is the worst possible situation. Once they decided to do it, they needed to get on with it. The longer indecision goes on the more harm it causes
Albumen
Don't wait for me!
JCL - the new kid in town
Well-known member
- Aug 23, 2011
- 1,864
The tories love to privatise things, maybe they'll privatise the whole government. China might be interested, they have lots of cash and we need to be trade with them rather than europe.....apparently
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Still at it then.
Virgin employee predicts armageddon in airspace shock-more Branson crap.
Boris didn't draft Article 50 letter-he isn't a lawyer.
Loads moaning about lies on a bus-was it this one?
Virgin employee predicts armageddon in airspace shock-more Branson crap.
Boris didn't draft Article 50 letter-he isn't a lawyer.
Loads moaning about lies on a bus-was it this one?
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,014
i dont know where the idea has come from that these industry standards bodies, agencies, commissions etc have disappeared. they have spent the past 40 odd year overseeing existing UK laws and regulation, and the integration of EU law into the area of concern.
gordonchas
New member
- Jul 1, 2012
- 230
You selectively quoted me there.
What I also said was that were was no evidence of any Brexiter regret.
I think you are harping on about this a little too much, Labour have been promising extra millions everywhere all the time without much success, there is an undoubted net financial gain back to the UK in terms of our EU contributions, whether this will then go in part to extra funding for the NHS or not I suspect is irrelevant, for most as long as appropriate funding is in place and a good service delivered then to a point who really cares what proportion comes from these savings, but everyone knew that we were contributed billions net and people had a view on that value.
The point remains that we will save £billions on contributions, no doubt you will argue that we might lose more by not being inside the club, I say not, but the plain figures confirm one thing, in 2016 we contributed over £13 billion to the EU budget and in return the EU spends back £4.5 billion still leaving a net contribution of £8.6 billion by the UK, without the rebate it would have been £4 billion more.
Be as imaginative as you like, but there is an obvious real saving on not paying it, the rest is forecast, assumptions and undetermined outcomes.
gordonchas
New member
- Jul 1, 2012
- 230
And let's not forget Remain's "Armageddon" of "no-deal" where we have to revert to WTO rules. Assuming that's a 10% duty on everything imported from the EU, I make that another £50,000,000,000 (50 billion) each year into the greedy hands of the Exchequer.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
You realise we will still contribute a huge amount to our main trading partner, probably more if no deal is done in tariffs, and a deal is likely to maintain a significant contribution. You don't seriously think we're saving that money do you? I've not heard many people supporting Brexit maintaining we're going to be better off, that ship sailed the day after!
Well thats exactly an example of 'forecast, assumptions and undetermined outcomes', might also be worth factoring in our trade deficit with the EU, which would mean in your scenario we might be a net beneficiary of £billions of similar retaliatory tariffs to our imports from the EU, so it doesnt seem an obvious and immediate one way loss, although for me it would be negative outcome for both the EU and the UK.
Can we save money ?
Well as a starting point of being £13 billion ahead with many wider opportunities, I do yes.
Has Turkey gained EU membership yet? I thought that was imminent
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,014
thats a mighty big assumption when we dont have to apply any import duty under WTO rules, let alone a blanket 10%. why wont people get that
supposing that we did, it would promote the consumption of UK sourced products and services, which is so many people want, isn't it? and that figure needs to offset the current import duties from outside the EU (because total imports are are around 500bn, EU is a little under half). so in totality there isn't a £50bn cost, there is an undetermined cost well below £50bn.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
So by your logic you are assuming the taxes will be paid by the exporters into our exchequer with no change to those export prices? It's not going to hurt our economy at all, just a net benefit to the treasury? I find this train of thought staggering. You're just guessing though, which you are entitled to do, but it is a guess that even 'leave' economists don't appear to be forecasting.
I am not sure thats fair, many EU ministers had indicated that Turkey should be considered for membership and negotiations were ongoing since 2005, so it was on the table.
It could be argued that the Leave campaign who were probably smeared as racist insisting this was a bad move by the EU having foreseen likely incompatible geographic, political and cultural differences showed greater awareness of the situation.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
The EU aren't talking to Turkey now, but our Government is sucking up to them and their dictator. You couldn't make this up.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
No need.The EU is a turkey!
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Sure, myself and Rich have a heart to heart daily
So pleased for you.Does he still have his weekend garden parties?