[Politics] Brexit

[Titanic]

You're using semantics to thinly vail your bullshit. Call it what you like but unless you're stupid you know the "no deal" end of the spectrum is a hard-Brexit.

Hard Brexit when it was initially coined meant leaving the internal market. That is now a given, so it is a moving target now used to describe anything you don't like or can use to bash the govt.

 

[Buzzer]

How much has botched deals within the EU cost us over the years ?

Well, it decimated our fishing industry.

 

[CHAPPERS]

You talk about waste, how about the Europa building at a cost of £300m
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/08/eu-unveils-new-300m-space-egg-hq-europa-brussels/

How insensitive can you get, especially when millions of real Europeans are struggling.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38025513

Buckingham Palace is due to cost more than that.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Hard Brexit when it was initially coined meant leaving the internal market.

Says who?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38025513

Buckingham Palace is due to cost more than that.

That Brussels building now looks an absolute steal. Bet it's more economical to run as well.

 

[beorhthelm]

question for the Remainers, if we accept there will be a Brexit, what parts of EU principles and institutions would you give up to see a "soft-Brexit". or, do you want to keep it all, not accept any form of Brexit?

 

[Buzzer]

I thought that anti-EU protester who dresses like Tinkerbell in a short green skirt and reckons Farage was sent by God was the most mental loon in this debate but this chap beats that.

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[Herr Tubthumper]

question for the Remainers, if we accept there will be a Brexit, what parts of EU principles and institutions would you give up to see a "soft-Brexit". or, do you want to keep it all, not accept any form of Brexit?

This is a difficult question. I have now been forced onto the other side and have to hope the EU fights hard for a good deal for us. Soft Brexit has to come at a high price in my humble opinion.

 

[nicko31]

l wonder if The NHS will lose it's extra £350m a week it's getting for a few months to pay for that. I do hope not.

The NHS will probably end up with £350m less per week, the rich will take BUPA, the poor will be left with MAYCARE

 

[CHAPPERS]

The NHS doesn't need any monoey anyway as all the nurses are leaving so you don't have to pay them.

 

[nicko31]

A stunning deal, that's a bargain. I guess when you have the economies of scale like the EU working in your favour you can strike good deals like this?

£4B for 65m people = £61 per head

£300m for 450m people - 77p per head

We still have Big Ben though

 

[Tom Bombadil]

The govt have never used the term hard Brexit... mainly because such a thing doesn't exist. There is Brexit or no Brexit. Hard Brexit is a tag invented by of the remoanians so they can whimper at the evil Tories.

I love the remoaner tag it's so disingenuous from a group whose very existence is based on complaining. Anyway hard brexit is a useful tag to describe the more severe options with regard to leaving the EU. The government may not have used the term but elements had been consistently briefing for it. That noise has subsided and there arenow more conciliatory sounds emerging from the brexit dept

 

[Soulman]

The govt have never used the term hard Brexit... mainly because such a thing doesn't exist. There is Brexit or no Brexit. Hard Brexit is a tag invented by of the remoanians so they can whimper at the evil Tories.

EExactly, the point of no soft and hard Brexit was put to bed on the programme last night.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

EExactly, the point of no soft and hard Brexit was put to bed on the programme last night.

How do you describe the different ends of the Brexit spectrum then? Because clearly there are different options with varying levels of integration and cooperation with the EU.

 

[Soulman]

How do you describe the different ends of the Brexit spectrum then? Because clearly there are different options with varying levels of integration and cooperation with the EU.

We are leaving, we shall get the best deal for the UK, same as your country will be hoping for a good deal. You call it hard or soft brexit if you like, to me it is Brexit.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

We are leaving, we shall get the best deal for the UK, same as your country will be hoping for a good deal. You call it hard or soft brexit if you like, to me it is Brexit.

Yes. But as I said, there are different options within Brexit. A Brexit with, for example, access to the single market and customs union is different to one without. Do you not agree?

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Hardly controversial calling people who want to reverse/circumvent the referendum before the will of the majority can be enacted undemocratic and extreme. Entirely accurate and don't forget the Loon bit.

This 'before the will of the people is enacted' clause of yours interests me. How does it work? We don't know for sure how the Brexit talks will go - they could go well, they could (pace Mrs May's 'No deal is better than a bad deal') go badly. Two questions therefore...

1. If they do go badly why do you think that it is acceptable to ask people for their view the day after we cast ourselves loose - but the action of undemocratic extreme loons to ask them the day before, when there would remain at least a theoretical possibility of us not doing so?

2. Do you agree with May that it would be unfair to ask the Scottish people for their views on independence when the shape of the Brexit deal is still unknown?

 

[Lincoln Imp]

How much has botched deals within the EU cost us over the years ?

Quite a lot I imagine but that is hardly the point. The point is that the UK government is capable of botching up deals with anyone - and as things stand we will have a whole heap of deals to sort out in front of us.

 

[sparkie]

How do you describe the different ends of the Brexit spectrum then? Because clearly there are different options with varying levels of integration and cooperation with the EU.

Zealous Brexit and Mellow Brexit ?

 

[nicko31]

EExactly, the point of no soft and hard Brexit was put to bed on the programme last night.

Well as long as you are happy paying into the EU coffers you can call it hard, soft, red/white/blue whatever