[Politics] Brexit

[GT49er]

well if there's any sense of irony and mischief they'd invoke Article 50 on the 25th March, but alas its a Saturday this year.

OK, we can add a fourth option to the poll then! If the EU offices are shut, we can just submit Article 50 by text or instagram or something. Or have they got a Facebook page, perhaps?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Poor remainers seeing their utopian world fall apart. It must be hell. Roll on Brexit.

My utopian world is very much intact thank you. It's a lovely crisp blue sky morning here. After a snowboarding and gastronomic tour of France last week I'm now back in the Hauptstadt and a little fuzzy from a nice Italian meal last night. Life doesn't feel like hell.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

The remoaners are right on one thing, though - we should be concentrating on the details. There are still important issues to be decided............

So, which date should be designated henceforth as Independence Day? The Glorious 23rd. July, the day the oppressed rose up and demanded their freedom, or 1st. February, when Parliament, in a magnificent endorsement of democracy, voted to ratify the decision of the people, or should we wait for the day (31st. March?) when our leader officially hands in the final 'Up your's Delors' Article 50 to the rump of the EU?

Perhaps we should have a poll to decide which one of the three dates should be celebrated in years to come with an official Independence Day Bank Holiday?

Your use of the word "Remoaners" is fantastically funny, although not as funny as the fact you can't even remember the date of the referendum.

 

[GT49er]

Your use of the word "Remoaners" is fantastically funny.............

Glad you find it funny, although it wasn't meant to be. Just using a word which has been in common usage nearly as long as 'Brexit'. Hats off to whoever invented it six months plus ago.

.............although not as funny as the fact you can't even remember the date of the referendum.

Apologies. Late night typing error! - although perhaps that was the date when it finally sunk in for some people that we really are leaving? No, perhaps not - some people are having trouble grasping that even now!

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Weasel or not he is no democrat.

He voted for a referendum, he campaigned for the side that lost.............he is now voting against the outcome.

Aside from the SNP, I don't think any MPs should be voting against article 50.

The laughable thing about this situation is that many of these MPs would argue that they stand for British values, such as "democracy". The have just demonstrated the contempt they have for democracy.

It doesn't seem quite that black and white to me. In my post I made the point that anyone making your point about democracy certainly has a tangible case to make. As well as tangible it is also honourable, which is why I wouldn't sling epithets at anyone making it. But facing the argument in favour of direct democracy is one in favour of Britain's long-established traditions of representative parliamentary democracy. I believe that that is an honourable argument too.

I make the second argument but let's be realistic. Which of the two we support in this case has much to do with practical consequences. If the 23 June result had gone the other way both sides' constitutional arguments would likely have switched. It's called debating and I still don't think chucking insults into the mix, however mild, helps.

BSM

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Glad you find it funny, although it wasn't meant to be. Just using a word which has been in common usage nearly as long as 'Brexit'. Hats off to whoever invented it six months plus ago.


Apologies. Late night typing error! - although perhaps that was the date when it finally sunk in for some people that we really are leaving? No, perhaps not - some people are having trouble grasping that even now!

I salute a fair recovery but why did you introduce Boris Johnson into the mix?

 

[GT49er]

I salute a fair recovery but why did you introduce Boris Johnson into the mix?

Did I?

 

[Lincoln Imp]

tim farron is a weasel though, the name is apt as he is underhand about his "position". He likes to claim another referendum is simply about voting on the terms of the deal, when it is by any other name an IN or OUT referendum.

"TIM FARRON has been hammered after he repeatedly denied his demands for a vote on a final Brexit deal was a re-run of June's referendum"

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/758561/Tim-Farron-Mishal-Husain-second-referendum

classic weaselling.

The terms of the Brexit deal are be discussed and dealt with in Parliament. Farron's position is that they should also be voted on by the public. In other words, he is suggesting the form of direct democracy you have favoured up until now rather than just the parliamentary procedures you have rejected until now. If parliament rejects the deal (which I doubt) May will call an election (which I would expect she will win). It is a complicated and nuanced position for sure and the Express article you salute, which does no more than report a properly-combative line of questioning by a BBC reporter, adds nothing to it. I am not sure when an article in the Express last added anything positive to anything but in all honesty I rarely see it.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Did I?

Not as far as I know but the last time we had a one-to-one exchange on here you rather oddly accused me of doing so I thought I'd test the water.

 

[GT49er]

Not as far as I know but the last time we had a one-to-one exchange on here you rather oddly accused me of doing so I thought I'd test the water.

Don't think so! Can't think why I would have, not having really thought about Boris Johnson at all since the referendum campaign.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

The terms of the Brexit deal are be discussed and dealt with in Parliament. Farron's position is that they should also be voted on by the public. In other words, he is suggesting the form of direct democracy you have favoured up until now rather than just the parliamentary procedures you have rejected until now. If parliament rejects the deal (which I doubt) May will call an election (which I would expect she will win). It is a complicated and nuanced position for sure and the Express article you salute, which does no more than report a properly-combative line of questioning by a BBC reporter, adds nothing to it. I am not sure when an article in the Express last added anything positive to anything but in all honesty I rarely see it.

I thought you had already conceded their position is utterly transparent and obvious .. they want to ignore/reverse the referendum result, as do you. The only complicated bit is trying to make that argument sound reasonable. Not going well is it ..

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Don't think so! Can't think why I would have, not having really thought about Boris Johnson at all since the referendum campaign.

Posts 25479 and 25481? You confused me with someone else I think. Easily done.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I thought you had already conceded their position is utterly transparent and obvious .. they want to ignore/reverse the referendum result, as do you. The only complicated bit is trying to make that argument sound reasonable. Not going well is it ..

I was reasonably happy with a quietly worded post and if you're content with the response above then I'm pleased for you.

 

[Two Professors]

What a beautiful day.The air already feels so much fresher today,as we move a bit further down the road away from the corrupt swamp that is the EU.Brexiteers won,Irrelevants lost-onwards and upwards.

 

[portslade seagull]

Oops another nail in the remoaners imminent crash theory. The BOE have upgraded the growth outlook to 2% for 2017. This is its 2nd upgrade since its initial doomsayer outcome. Come on you remoaners surely the BOE and Mr Carney are completely wrong and the impending armaggedon is upon us ?

 

[GT49er]

Posts 25479 and 25481? You confused me with someone else I think. Easily done.

I'll raise you post 25476, and posts on the page before it. I was having an exchange of views with two other posters, one of whom asked me directly if I thought BJ was fit for purpose, which wasn't really relevant to the 'conversation' - and then you waded in! Admittedly, I did mistakenly think I was replying to one of them - the one who couldn't spell Eton! - in post 25479. But it certainly wasn't me who brought BJ into the debate.

 

[Two Professors]

The day just gets better.Phil Shiner has been struck off-the evil sod will persecute no more squaddies.Now we need a big win for the Albion.

 

[Albumen]

Oops another nail in the remoaners imminent crash theory. The BOE have upgraded the growth outlook to 2% for 2017. This is its 2nd upgrade since its initial doomsayer outcome. Come on you remoaners surely the BOE and Mr Carney are completely wrong and the impending armaggedon is upon us ?

If you compare their growth forecast for 2017 from before Brexit to today, they're saying that the economy will be an eye watering £6.764BN SMALLER than they originally predicted. That's 100 quid per person in a single year, with the poorest being hit the hardest.

 

[GT49er]

The day just gets better. Phil Shiner has been struck off - the evil sod will persecute no more squaddies. Now we need a big win for the Albion.

Wonder if he'll blame Brexit?

 

[portslade seagull]

If you compare their growth forecast for 2017 from before Brexit to today, they're saying that the economy will be an eye watering £6.764BN SMALLER than they originally predicted. That's 100 quid per person in a single year, with the poorest being hit the hardest.

Much better than the 0.6% initially forecast which was jumped on by all the remainers as a sign of the impending catastrophe. By the way Carney doing his best to get himself out of that particular hole. 2% also much much better than the EU can expect in 2017