[Politics] Brexit

[Soulman]

Why don't you actually challenge the details of my post instead of dismissing it because of my location? My location doesn't invalidate my point at all. But, if you really do believe it does then I'm all ears. Go on, stick it to me....please.

Your post, ah yes, in which you have a pop at the Tories for looking after the rich etc. Firstly that is rich coming from you as you do come across as a champagne socialist when your mask slips. Secondly the workers in the construction industry ARE working class, but around 90% of them have felt let down by Labour (myself included) have been financially better off under the Tories, and feel no confidence to ever vote for them again. I have stated many times, having worked on sites all my working days (as opposed to working in a different job and living in a different country) that my rate did not go up (in fact it fell between 2005 and 2009) until the last few years, you will note who was in government in both instances.
I can not vote Tory, but I will not vote Labour, if I lived in your country then I might support the socialists, who knows, not where I live.
I hope this answers your question, please note I might not answer every question that you demand an answer to.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

by "reconsidered" you mean have another vote, another referendum.
run it again because you didnt like the original outcome.

you have some brass balls thinking that is a democratic process.

You have previously told me that everyone you know who voted Leave did so after close consideration of the specific issues associated with the EU and our membership of it and, by implication, that no one voted the way they did because they were fed up with their lot and the way the country was being run. If this is true you clearly live in a different universe to the rest of us, some sort of place where it is regarded as free and democratic for a government to tell people whereabouts in their own country they are and are not allowed to work, and there really isn't much point carrying a conversation onwards. In response to your post, yes, I do feel it is democratic to ask people if, in the light of facts that emerge, they would like to look at the issue again before the button is pressed.

 

[Soulman]

You have previously told me that everyone you know who voted Leave did so after close consideration of the specific issues associated with the EU and our membership of it and, by implication, that no one voted the way they did because they were fed up with their lot and the way the country was being run. If this is true you clearly live in a different universe to the rest of us, some sort of place where it is regarded as free and democratic for a government to tell people whereabouts in their own country they are and are not allowed to work, and there really isn't much point carrying a conversation onwards. In response to your post, yes, I do feel it is democratic to ask people if, in the light of facts that emerge, they would like to look at the issue again before the button is pressed.

So to sum up then....the vote did not go the way you wanted.

 

[KingstonSeagull]

*Jeremy Corbyn on the fifth attempt with still nobody listening* "Not so much Iron lady than Irony Lady" ...... *Awkward Silence/People that were not listening anyway carry on what they were saying*

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Theoretically the vote is a necessary democratic consultation reinforcing the role of parliament/soverignity but you have a point. In reality the PM know's it will be extradorinaly hard for parliament to vote any agreement down because it would mean we still exit but on WTO rules which is an even worse option according to remainers. She also knows the public won't be impressed so I doubt Labour would have the balls to try and vote any agreement down.

I am sure they don't hate us and I have never thought they will come cap in hand but do believe they will be far less belligerent behind closed doors and a mutually beneficial deal can be done.

Here's to a succesful negotiation

I agree with your analysis and, like you, don't think that enough MPs will have the balls to vote down an agreement. The vote will be interesting when it happens - it won't just be Labour MPs in the frame though. There will presumably be a smattering of conservatives, all but a couple of Scottish MPs and that small number of LibDems.

If - unlikely - the vote went against the government then they would immediately call an election. It would be the oddest election ever. Unless the deal with the EU was transparently and obviously terrible then Mrs May and the Brexiteers would surely win it easily.

 

[GT49er]

Will Brexit= Global Britain-Scotland-Northern Ireland-Gibraltar.

I doubt all 3 would cast off but the main soundbite from Scotland yesterday was that a 2nd independence referendum was more likely than very likely so almost a certainty and maybe the prospect of the post Brexit world is enough to push the vote in favour of leaving the UK.

Main soundbite I heard from Scotland was wee Krankie banging on about wanting another referendum. Whether she'll get one - and whether she'd 'win' it anyway - is another matter altogether!

 

[FishPie]

Main soundbite I heard from Scotland was wee Krankie banging on about wanting another referendum. Whether she'll get one - and whether she'd 'win' it anyway - is another matter altogether!

Let have her referendum and call her bluff as she knows if she loses then her dreams are dead.

 

[GT49er]

Let have her referendum and call her bluff as she knows if she loses then her dreams are dead.

Not sure that the Westminster politicians will be too keen on risking any more referendums (referenda?) for at least a generation!

 

[Albumen]

Perhaps we need a new poll, as after Mrs May's speech it seems she may know what she is doing.

That's far from my conclusion.

 

[FishPie]

Not sure that the Westminster politicians will be too keen on risking any more referendums (referenda?) for at least a generation!

Shame if they don't and the UK should have a say as well because the English would probably vote leave.

 

[Mellotron]

Even your maths is way out!

Nope. Not when everyone is factored in.

 

[Buzzer]

That's far from my conclusion.

The EU President appears to disagree with you.

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[BigGully]

Nope. Not when everyone is factored in.

I am not sure of your figures, but I presume you have factored in all those that could of voted but then didnt would have exclusively voted for remain or something similar and those ineligible to vote too would not have voted leave, if so its a particularly poor effort.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

So to sum up then....the vote did not go the way you wanted.

That's rather trite isn't it? Of course the vote didn't go the way I wanted but pointing out that obvious truth is no summary at all of what I wrote.

 

[vegster]

You have to spoil it don't you. Some remainers are now prepared to accept things and get on with it. The poster who advised us to buy euros before 11-45 because of the collapse of sterling, has now different scary prophecies for today. Then we have another poster who is fearful of Scotland, Gibraltar and NI abandoning ship thus changing course and heading on another direction. Then we have HT letting us know who the Tories look after whilst languishing in Germany.
Twas a decent day yesterday and new scare tactics today it seems.

Er, I jokingly said ' if you need Euros buy them before 11.45 ".... However, that was not bona fide financial advice believe it or not.
I would also like to point out that I have not come up with another series of gloomy prophecies today. I 'm afraid that my post concerned our society's current situation, and are already true.
Now do as mummy says and be magnanimous and play nicely.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I am not sure of your figures, but I presume you have factored in all those that could of voted but then didnt would have exclusively voted for remain or something similar and those ineligible to vote too would not have voted leave, if so its a particularly poor effort.

I assumed he was just measuring the percentage of eligible voters who voted Leave.

I suppose there's a chance your vastly more complicated suggestion could be right though. Let's wait and see.

 

[nicko31]

But they do.

As an example after the speech yesterday a man was interviewed about what he was now looking foward to. Included in his response was being able to ring his doctor and get an appointment within a week.
Not sure how numbers are going to reduce to achieve that unless we are deporting or stopping medical care for those currently within the UK.

On the subject of medical care 4,000 EU pensioners riding the NHS in the UK, 144,000 riding the Spanish health care system on the Costas. All the talk of health tourism shows it cuts both ways

 

[Albumen]

The EU President appears to disagree with you.

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We'll stay friends though.

 

[portslade seagull]

That's rather trite isn't it? Of course the vote didn't go the way I wanted but pointing out that obvious truth is no summary at all of what I wrote.

You keep carping on about it though

 

[GT49er]

Nope. Not when everyone is factored in.

So 17.5 million is 19% of 64.5 million? Dream on! Or is that some sort of weird Brussels approved EU maths?