[Politics] Brexit

[Baldseagull]

You talk like the EU came up with original laws for working conditions. You confuse 'laws' for regulations. The main tenants of the EU are the problem not the periphery concern.

How the EU affects your life

For a thousand years the United Kingdom was free, independent and trading with the rest of the known world.

For the past 42 years, the United Kingdom has been part of the European Union (EEC and EC). The UK’s ability to act as a nation state is being increasingly constricted to the point where the EU now dominates the UK. Some independence is left, importantly the British currency, but every day more power and more control ebbs away to Brussels.

Since the days of Edward Heath in the 1970s, all British governments of whichever party have assumed and continue to assume that Britain must be at the heart of Europe. They even claim that the UK can have a positive influence, beyond its limited voting powers, to change the EU for the better, that is towards a free market group of nations co-operating together.

The UK cannot.

Europhiles maintain loudly that the UK is too small to prosper outside the EU, too small to go it alone. Yet that belies our history, it belies the facts of our global trade and it belies the strength of our country. It is also an insult to most countries of the world, smaller than the UK, which remain independent and free. Propagandists claim the EU will safeguard peace in Europe, yet creating a political and economic union of disparate and diverse countries within a generation or two creates fissures and tensions that could erupt into serious and widespread civil unrest and has already done so in Greece.

Europhiles say that the advantages of being inside the EU are so obvious that they are not willing even to discuss what life might be like outside the EU. They try to shut down debate by refusing to engage. Yet the financial costs alone are huge, the regulatory costs restrict and even destroy British trade, farming and fishing. It is no exaggeration to say that more than a million jobs have been lost because of Britain’s membership of the EU. How much more than a million? No one knows. No meaningful cost-benefit analysis has ever been done.

There are some massive exaggerations in this.

 

[Mental Lental]

Why? They said what I would like to say anyway..........

Anyhow we are so far apart with our views I really don't care what you think.

Confirmation bias is an interesting thing isn't it? Frequent websites that agree with your point of view on a topic.... Cut and paste from said websites onto a forum where there are a number of people who don't agree with your point of view....Think that you are actually contributing to the discussion.

 

[melias shoes]

http://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-says-uk-first-in-line-for-us-trade-deal-post-brexit-10723644
Not exactly back of the queue after all then.

 

[studio150]

http://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-says-uk-first-in-line-for-us-trade-deal-post-brexit-10723644
Not exactly back of the queue after all then.

I find it ironic that Boris says we are great campaigners for free trade given that the UK will be leaving the single market and working with tariffs and Trump has already stated America will be tearing up trade deals and imposing tariffs.

And how long post Brexit will this take to implement

 

[melias shoes]

I find it ironic that Boris says we are great campaigners for free trade given that the UK will be leaving the single market and working with tariffs and Trump has already stated America will be tearing up trade deals and imposing tariffs.

And how long post Brexit will this take to implement

Not happy with that good news then?

 

[Soulman]

Good moaning

 

[WonderingSoton]

Corbyn in favour of ending free movement of people and imposing immigration control.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/corby...-sacrifice-the-free-movement-of-people-2017-1

You couldn't make this up

 

[Soulman]

Corbyn in favour of ending free movement of people and imposing immigration control.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/corby...-sacrifice-the-free-movement-of-people-2017-1

You couldn't make this up

Thank god that plum never got close to being elected.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

Thank god that plum never got close to being elected.

1) I thought that's what you wanted
2) Given that the vast majority of politicians are remainers they are all going to have to shift position if this is going to work.

 

[vegster]

You talk like the EU came up with original laws for working conditions. [emoji38]ol: You confuse 'laws' for regulations. The main tenants of the EU are the problem not the periphery concern.

How the EU affects your life

For a thousand years the United Kingdom was free, independent and trading with the rest of the known world.

For the past 42 years, the United Kingdom has been part of the European Union (EEC and EC). The UK’s ability to act as a nation state is being increasingly constricted to the point where the EU now dominates the UK. Some independence is left, importantly the British currency, but every day more power and more control ebbs away to Brussels.

Since the days of Edward Heath in the 1970s, all British governments of whichever party have assumed and continue to assume that Britain must be at the heart of Europe. They even claim that the UK can have a positive influence, beyond its limited voting powers, to change the EU for the better, that is towards a free market group of nations co-operating together.

The UK cannot.

Europhiles maintain loudly that the UK is too small to prosper outside the EU, too small to go it alone. Yet that belies our history, it belies the facts of our global trade and it belies the strength of our country. It is also an insult to most countries of the world, smaller than the UK, which remain independent and free. Propagandists claim the EU will safeguard peace in Europe, yet creating a political and economic union of disparate and diverse countries within a generation or two creates fissures and tensions that could erupt into serious and widespread civil unrest and has already done so in Greece.

Europhiles say that the advantages of being inside the EU are so obvious that they are not willing even to discuss what life might be like outside the EU. They try to shut down debate by refusing to engage. Yet the financial costs alone are huge, the regulatory costs restrict and even destroy British trade, farming and fishing. It is no exaggeration to say that more than a million jobs have been lost because of Britain’s membership of the EU. How much more than a million? No one knows. No meaningful cost-benefit analysis has ever been done.

Amazing! did you type that while wearing a Union Jack waistcoat in the manner of Tim Brooke-Taylor? Epic rant!
Hopefully someone will invent a working time machine and you can go back Orpington in 1952 and stay there!

 

[studio150]

Corbyn in favour of ending free movement of people and imposing immigration control.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/corby...-sacrifice-the-free-movement-of-people-2017-1

You couldn't make this up

And has called for a national wage cap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[vegster]

http://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-says-uk-first-in-line-for-us-trade-deal-post-brexit-10723644
Not exactly back of the queue after all then.

Possibly the worst news ever. Trump has avowed to make "America Great Again" and there will be close scrutiny of his first few months in office to hold him to his promises. those first few " deals " he will strike will have to be heavily loaded towards America getting the better end of any deal.

And guess who comes knocking first? Yes, it's the poor friendless UK who are desperate to cut a deal with anyone to show we are still world players! Looks like an open goal for Trump.

 

[GT49er]

You couldn't make this up

Of course you could - somebody just did!

 

[GT49er]

Thank god that plum never got close to being elected.

Labour leader coming round to accepting - even embracing Brexit. Will win back some disaffected Labour voters; the PLP will hate I!

 

[sant andreu]

You talk like the EU came up with original laws for working conditions. You confuse 'laws' for regulations. The main tenants of the EU are the problem not the periphery concern.

How the EU affects your life

For a thousand years the United Kingdom was free, independent and trading with the rest of the known world.

For the past 42 years, the United Kingdom has been part of the European Union (EEC and EC). The UK’s ability to act as a nation state is being increasingly constricted to the point where the EU now dominates the UK. Some independence is left, importantly the British currency, but every day more power and more control ebbs away to Brussels.

Since the days of Edward Heath in the 1970s, all British governments of whichever party have assumed and continue to assume that Britain must be at the heart of Europe. They even claim that the UK can have a positive influence, beyond its limited voting powers, to change the EU for the better, that is towards a free market group of nations co-operating together.

The UK cannot.

Europhiles maintain loudly that the UK is too small to prosper outside the EU, too small to go it alone. Yet that belies our history, it belies the facts of our global trade and it belies the strength of our country. It is also an insult to most countries of the world, smaller than the UK, which remain independent and free. Propagandists claim the EU will safeguard peace in Europe, yet creating a political and economic union of disparate and diverse countries within a generation or two creates fissures and tensions that could erupt into serious and widespread civil unrest and has already done so in Greece.

Europhiles say that the advantages of being inside the EU are so obvious that they are not willing even to discuss what life might be like outside the EU. They try to shut down debate by refusing to engage. Yet the financial costs alone are huge, the regulatory costs restrict and even destroy British trade, farming and fishing. It is no exaggeration to say that more than a million jobs have been lost because of Britain’s membership of the EU. How much more than a million? No one knows. No meaningful cost-benefit analysis has ever been done.

Whether in the EU or not, we can't be "free" or "independent" of the world around us, or of our neighbouring countries. The world, as well as Holland, Ireland, France, Denmark etc, are all there for good. They're not going anywhere. International relations exist for better or worse as long as there are nations.

Here's an analogy: you have to share a pub with the other folk in your town. Would you rather a) play along with the general social norms and conventions, sit with the other people in the pub and get along with them as best as you could; b) not worry about sitting with anyone else, other people can sit with me if they like or not, I'm not going out of my way to make friends, the others may well have some great ideas but I don't care, it's my way or the high way; or c) not even go to the pub, just stay home and waank on your own, freely and independently, of course.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Possibly the worst news ever. Trump has avowed to make "America Great Again" and there will be close scrutiny of his first few months in office to hold him to his promises. those first few " deals " he will strike will have to be heavily loaded towards America getting the better end of any deal.

And guess who comes knocking first? Yes, it's the poor friendless UK who are desperate to cut a deal with anyone to show we are still world players! Looks like an open goal for Trump.

One of Trump's trade guys was on this morning making it clear that a deal with the UK - and he certainly wants one - will be far more limited in scope than the Mexico/Canada arrangements and a world away from the deal we currently have (and are preparing to ditch) with the vast markets of western Europe. There is nothing wrong with Brexiters on here lauding genuine good news but rampant self-delusion is about the last thing the country wants.

 

[studio150]

One of Trump's trade guys was on this morning making it clear that a deal with the UK - and he certainly wants one - will be far more limited in scope than the Mexico/Canada arrangements and a world away from the deal we currently have (and are preparing to ditch) with the vast markets of western Europe. There is nothing wrong with Brexiters on here lauding genuine good news but rampant self-delusion is about the last thing the country wants.

I see you have missed the news, our national anthem is now Shiny Happy People. We must all smile and just look at the headlines not the detail.

 

[sant andreu]

You talk like the EU came up with original laws for working conditions. You confuse 'laws' for regulations. The main tenants of the EU are the problem not the periphery concern.

So, tell us what exactly is the difference between 'laws' and 'regulations'?



Regulation – definition 3: a governmental or ministerial order having the force of law

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I see you have missed the news, our national anthem is now Shiny Happy People. We must all smile and just look at the headlines not the detail.

You're right. Would it help if we all became Mormons?

 

[Soulman]

The Bitterest Pill by The Jam would be a good national anthem for some.