[Politics] Brexit

[Pretty pink fairy]

I cant stress how good this makes me feel....first Brexit then Trump, and now the ities giving it the thumbs down to the EU.

When will the EU finally learn that people are fed up of being dictated to by a bunch of self serving unelected Muppet's.

Peace and harmony throughout Europe all under the banner of the EU .

good to see you posting mate, been a while hope all's well
regards
DR

 

[ManOfSussex]

Didn't the Government say immediately after the referendum that provided the EU guarantee the residency rights of British people in the EU then EU nationals over here will get the same rights ? This isn't using them as bargaining chips as there is nothing to bargain i.e. It is not linked to any other part of the negotiation. Maybe Mr Rifkind would be better advised asking the EU why they have not as yet given the necessary undertaking ?

I'm not commentating either way on Hugo Rifkind's article, it's easier just not to an express an opinion on this thread anymore, I was merely relaying it on here in full as it had been quoted.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I'm not commentating either way on Hugo Rifkind's article, it's easier just not to an express an opinion on this thread anymore, I was merely relaying it on here in full as it had been quoted.

No worries, you posted it so I commented on Mr Rifkind's opinion therein. Previously I was just making the point that quoting the relative number of elderly people in the U.K. and Spain does rather miss the point on demand for NHS services. Politicians know exactly what they are doing when they seek to mislead in this way.

 

[Two Professors]

I imagine that almost everyone will understand the meaning of the expression 'really start to cost money' but if you and one other poster are trying to suggest I was claiming that no money at all is spent by the NHS on people who aren't old then I will quietly give up on this conversation and let you carry on wittering among yourselves.

Go on then,for the benefit of us 'thickies',what do you mean by the expression.How about some facts and figures to back it up,after all,if almost everyone understands apart from me and the good people of Sunderland,you really should try and enlighten us instead of giving up.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

May has kowtowed to the might of Corbyn and announced that she will announce the Government's plans over Brexit.

Must be Corbyn 100 May Nil at the moment.

May is a weak leader.

Call (i know you can't) a general election then.......Labour would be trounced.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I imagine that almost everyone will understand the meaning of the expression 'really start to cost money' but if you and one other poster are trying to suggest I was claiming that no money at all is spent by the NHS on people who aren't old then I will quietly give up on this conversation and let you carry on wittering among yourselves.

As the other poster I can assure you I don't think you mean that. I was just commenting on the idea that demand for NHS services should be measured by relative numbers of elderly. It was Mr Rifkind making this comparison. I was just chipping in, sorry if I have caused offence.

 

[El Presidente]

Go on then,for the benefit of us 'thickies',what do you mean by the expression.How about some facts and figures to back it up,after all,if almost everyone understands apart from me and the good people of Sunderland,you really should try and enlighten us instead of giving up.

There is a correlation between healthcare costs and age.

 

[studio150]

Oh dear-so only old people get HIV/AIDS do they.You do talk some utter drivel, without supporting it with any facts.

Yes well done rather than looking it as an age group you want to talk about individuals. Yes people of any age can contract an illness which is costly to control or suffer live threatening injuries which are again expensive.
However you would expect people in their 20s and 30s to be healthier than those well past retirement age.
Also don't overlook that pensioners receive free prescriptions.
However you keep your blinkers on and pretend you dont understand what was actually meant. You must be pretending because we always told that leavers are not thick therefore you must understand what was meant.

Being as clever as you are you can now doubt fully explain what we are going to get from a red white and blue brexit.

 

[Soulman]

There is a correlation between healthcare costs and age.

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Good to see the figures, but sticking up for the oldies (seeing as some are blaming them for costing the NHS a lot, plus the vote of Brexit) they have paid into the system, not all of them live to a ripe old age, not all of them need care. The 20-30 group who are obviously fitter, have paid very little into the system and will get help when they reach old age.......evolution, long live the NHS and free presciptions for the elderly.

 

[LlcoolJ]

Good to see the figures, but sticking up for the oldies (seeing as some are blaming them for costing the NHS a lot, plus the vote of Brexit) they have paid into the system, not all of them live to a ripe old age, not all of them need care. The 20-30 group who are obviously fitter, have paid very little into the system and will get help when they reach old age.......evolution, long live the NHS and free presciptions for the elderly.

That doesn't make any sense whosoever. Amazing!

 

[yxee]

Basically you are a net funder of the NHS when young and a net drain when you are older, on average.

 

[Soulman]

That doesn't make any sense whosoever. Amazing!

"whosoever", does that make sense then.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Good to see the figures, but sticking up for the oldies (seeing as some are blaming them for costing the NHS a lot, plus the vote of Brexit) they have paid into the system, not all of them live to a ripe old age, not all of them need care. The 20-30 group who are obviously fitter, have paid very little into the system and will get help when they reach old age.......evolution, long live the NHS and free presciptions for the elderly.

I think I was the one who raised this issue and I can assure you that neither I nor anyone else has blamed old people for costing the NHS more than younger people do. Where did you get that impression?

 

[Lincoln Imp]

As the other poster I can assure you I don't think you mean that. I was just commenting on the idea that demand for NHS services should be measured by relative numbers of elderly. It was Mr Rifkind making this comparison. I was just chipping in, sorry if I have caused offence.

Thanks. No offence meant I'm sure, and none taken. Up the Albion.

 

[El Presidente]

Good to see the figures, but sticking up for the oldies (seeing as some are blaming them for costing the NHS a lot, plus the vote of Brexit) they have paid into the system, not all of them live to a ripe old age, not all of them need care. The 20-30 group who are obviously fitter, have paid very little into the system and will get help when they reach old age.......evolution, long live the NHS and free presciptions for the elderly.

I'm an oldie myself so I'm not taking sides, just giving the facts.

 

[kevo]

Twenty reasons why Brexit will be even trickier than we thought:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/06/twenty-reasons-brexit-trickier-than-we-thought

Brexiters, what have you done?! All this to reclaim a vague notion of sovereignty...

 

[5ways]

With the bunch of useless fools we have in charge of negotiating a deal, I think it might actually work out ok.

Cameron's "concessions" deal is going to look Churchilian in comparison.

who would have thought that 'Brexit means brexit' would be the height of May's oratory? #redwhiteandblue

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Haven't checked in for a while, everyone getting what they voted for?

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[pastafarian]

Haven't checked in for a while, everyone getting what they voted for?

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We are leaving The European Union.
The leavers will be getting what they voted for, the remainers will not.

I would have thought this was blindingly obvious even by someone that didn’t give a toss either way over the issue and wasn’t interested in voting anyway like yourself.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

There is a correlation between healthcare costs and age.

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I wonder though what comparative cover is offered by Medicare compared to the cradle to grave NHS. Quite apart from that I still think that Mr Rifkind is misusing the figures. We would need to know the actual Healthcare usage of British people in Spain and
vice versa. Rather than saying there are very few Spanish pensioners in the U.K. and leaving it at that he needs to quote the amount of NHS healthcare used by younger Spanish people otherwise his figures are meaningless.