[Politics] Brexit

[cunning fergus]

Tracey Emin has come out. Very proud to be British, and flaunts it on her travel, but sees us as a part of europe "Total insanity to come out of the EU now". Just saying, everyone voting in

It was something of an incoherent ramble about why she was in, as she said that we should not all away from Europe when "we were on the brink of world war 3 with an invisible enemy?".

This was like trying to make sense of a clue from 3-2-1.........what in the name of all the saints was she going on about?

More rational (but only slightly) was her point about how she generates her wealth and is able to develop her profile by selling/exhibiting her paintings in Europe.

If this was s important of course I would have expected her to at least support joining the euro to iron out those FX wrinkles on her income, but I guess as a multi millionaire she can take this.

So in short nutcase multi millionaire wants to maintain multi million pound income.........great.

 

[Maldini]

Cameron gives his speech in front of hundreds in an impressive setting whilst Boris gives his in some back room somewhere. The goverment also have the power to entice all these people to speak on behalf of Remain but the Leave camp do not.There's a def big advantage for the goverment however as we go on I feel even the Remain camp must be cringing at some of the desperate statements coming from the goverment. If not and if they believe what they are hearing then they are truly stupid.

 

[Maldini]

Five ex heads of NATO saying UK will lose influence if it leaves. Name your Ex heads of NATO inners. Security really is better with the EU

How?

 

[Bladders]

How?

I'd be interested in this too.

Caught a piece briefly on the news yesterday from a chap who seemed fairly unbiased in his responses saying it wouldn't make the slightest difference to security if we left.

We'd still be in NATO, on the Security council and our intelligence services will still work with its counterparts abroad, in Europe and beyond just as it does now.

WW3 isn't going to start either if we leave.


I'd genuinely love someone to answer the question.

How will our security be compromised if we leave the EU?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I'd be interested in this too.

Caught a piece briefly on the news yesterday from a chap who seemed fairly unbiased in his responses saying it wouldn't make the slightest difference to security if we left.

We'd still be in NATO, on the Security council and our intelligence services will still work with its counterparts abroad, in Europe and beyond just as it does now.

WW3 isn't going to start either if we leave.


I'd genuinely love someone to answer the question.

How will our security be compromised if we leave the EU?

The implication in Cameron's speech is that our intelligence partners would no longer share information with us. Blatantly a lie. We share a huge amount of intelligence with Saudi Arabia - last I looked they were neither in the EU nor NATO.

 

[Maldini]

When Remain claim that we are safer in the EU I would like to hear some specifics and not just vague claims.

I would also like for them to explain the various wars that have occurred in Europe since WW2. How being in the
EU failed to prevent troubles with the IRA,with terrorist attacks in Paris,Belgium,the invasion of Ukraine.
Bombs in Instanbul etc.
How most of the terrorist attempts foiled in the UK are as a result of our own intelligence.
I'd like them to explain how open borders makes us safer.

Let's hear some case studies.

 

[Bladders]

The implication in Cameron's speech is that our intelligence partners would no longer share information with us. Blatantly a lie. We share a huge amount of intelligence with Saudi Arabia - last I looked they were neither in the EU nor NATO.

So our closest allies would stop sharing intelligence with us and visa versa.

I can't believe people fall for this shit.

 

[Maldini]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-injured-random-attack-passengers-Munich.html

So being in the EU makes us safer does it?

 

[Bladders]

They'll be telling us a new Iron Curtain will be raised across the English channel next

 

[Bladders]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-injured-random-attack-passengers-Munich.html

So being in the EU makes us safer does it?

Shocking, Thought Germany was the centre of EU paradise.

Happy Europe Day!

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Are you sure about that ? I know the BBC has to be but I'm not sure it applies to the rest of the media - especially the print media.

No, the print media isn't required to be neutral, which is why I specifically said (#2046) 'broadcast media'.

Most national newspapers take a position on Brexit and the majority - Desmond's Express, Murdoch's Sun, the Barclay brothers' Telegraph and of course the ever-popular Daily Mail - are pro-Leave. They have every right to be whatever their rich proprietors want, but it does mean that Brexiters have no right to drone endlessly on about the 'media being against us'.

 

[Stoo82]

No, the print media isn't required to be neutral, which is why I specifically said (#2046) 'broadcast media'.

Most national newspapers take a position on Brexit and the majority - Desmond's Express, Murdoch's Sun, the Barclay brothers' Telegraph and of course the ever-popular Daily Mail - are pro-Leave. They have every right to be whatever their rich proprietors want, but it does mean that Brexiters have no right to drone endlessly on about the 'media being against us'.

They are pandering to their readers to sell newspapers. Its not about what their proprietors want. If most of the Daily Mails readers were pro-EU (Like say, Guardian readers), then it would be a pro-EU paper.

 

[pastafarian]

If its true leaving the EU would be a disaster for the economy, a massive security threat and herald in a new era of wars in Europe.

1/ Why did Cameron offer a referendum in the first place?
2/ Why did Cameron "rule nothing out" when asked if he would campaign for a Brexit?

No.10 clearly thinks the public are too stupid to smell BS

 

[sparkie]

If its true leaving the EU would be a disaster for the economy, a massive security threat and herald in a new era of wars in Europe.

1/ Why did Cameron offer a referendum in the first place?
2/ Why did Cameron "rule nothing out" when asked if he would campaign for a Brexit?

No.10 clearly thinks the public are too stupid to smell BS

I too wonder why Cameron has been such a fool over this. Maybe it is because he just is a fool and it's as simple as that.

 

[Two Professors]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-injured-random-attack-passengers-Munich.html

So being in the EU makes us safer does it?

Barrier-free travel ain't that secure then-no control over who gets in!Bet someone on here will tell us it's okay,he had a travel pass,alles in ordnung!

 

[Lincoln Imp]

They are pandering to their readers to sell newspapers. Its not about what their proprietors want. If most of the Daily Mails readers were pro-EU (Like say, Guardian readers), then it would be a pro-EU paper.

Paul Dacre, the editor of the Daily Mail, once said that the best front page headlines should either frighten or infuriate his readers, preferably both. If he can get them cross and worried, perfect. So he, like every soap box populist from Hitler (and no, I'm not comparing Boris with Hitler) to your average two bit politician understands perfectly well that your best chance of manipulating people by invoking the threat of the outsider. Foreign welfare criminals are perfect. Politicians. Loony union leaders. Migrants. If you're on the left then toffs and fat cats are what to aim for.

I am sorry, but you are being naive if you think that newspapers simply react to what people are thinking in the first place. That's not how populism works.

 

[pb21]

If its true leaving the EU would be a disaster for the economy, a massive security threat and herald in a new era of wars in Europe.

1/ Why did Cameron offer a referendum in the first place?
2/ Why did Cameron "rule nothing out" when asked if he would campaign for a Brexit?

No.10 clearly thinks the public are too stupid to smell BS

Because as [MENTION=33253]JC Footy Genius[/MENTION] pointed out the the bloke is an unscrupulous patronising shyster. I'm glad more tory lovers are starting to appreciate this, albeit its a bit late in the day now. To be honest I'm surprised it hasn't been obvious to everyone for the past 10+ years.

 

[Triggaaar]

The implication in Cameron's speech is that our intelligence partners would no longer share information with us. Blatantly a lie.

It's embarrassing isn't it. They're saying that if we leave, the EU won't want to share information with their closest ally (so presumably the EU wants WW3) and I guess voters fall for it.

 

[Triggaaar]

No.10 clearly thinks the public are too stupid to smell BS

Unfortunately, for the most part, they're right.

 

[pastafarian]

Because as [MENTION=33253]JC Footy Genius[/MENTION] pointed out the the bloke is an unscrupulous patronising shyster. I'm glad more tory lovers are starting to appreciate this, albeit its a bit late in the day now. To be honest I'm surprised it hasn't been obvious to everyone for the past 10+ years.

its good to know a growing number of people from across the spectrum are realising his "truths" about what will happen if we leave the EU are nothing more than lies.