Brand v Paxman

[Nibble]

Sorry, I just don't believe that there are that many kids with the same disorder. A few years ago nobody felt the need to label kids as one thing or another, it was called being an individual, having a personality.

 

[nicko31]

Interesting when Brand started to blame his drug problem problem on society. Complete halfwit, its one thing not voting but the guy offers no solutions at all despite being quite articulate. Why waste airtime on this loser..

 

[KZNSeagull]

Sorry, I just don't believe that there are that many kids with the same disorder. A few years ago nobody felt the need to label kids as one thing or another, it was called being an individual, having a personality.

I think there is a lot of misdiagnosis going on, that's for sure, and over-labelling can be counter-productive. But in the olden days, you would not have met a low functioning autistic person as they would have been in an institution somewhere and the high functioning ones would have been labelled odd, weird, reclusive etc.

An autistic person's individuality is what the issue is - because they may do odd things, people think that they are strange or even retarded in some way. They can be shunned. Their personality is not one that fits in with social "norms". If labelling them helps with their being accepted widely throughout society and makes "normal" people more tolerant, then it is a good thing.

 

[BadFish]

Every single kid I've met whose parents have had them diagnosed with Aspergers/Autism (or mucking about as it used to be called) just seems a bit wimpy to me rather than ill. They usually fall into two distinct categories, chavvy parents whose kid won't pull their socks up or upper middle class parents whose kid thinks they are a bit more special than the others and rules don't apply to them. Most can usually be found sitting on the couch at 11am on a schoolday. God help them when they get to working age, they'll be straight on benefits as they won't be able to associate work with reward as most of them just get allowed to behave how they want and get to go and do whatever their specific supposed savant trait is, usually they get to draw or play with model bricks or summat while the other kids get on with learning useful stuff.

This is so far from my experience of autism as a parent and teacher it is not funny.

 

[Nibble]

I think there is a lot of misdiagnosis going on, that's for sure, and over-labelling can be counter-productive. But in the olden days, you would not have met a low functioning autistic person as they would have been in an institution somewhere and the high functioning ones would have been labelled odd, weird, reclusive etc.

An autistic person's individuality is what the issue is - because they may do odd things, people think that they are strange or even retarded in some way. They can be shunned. Their personality is not one that fits in with social "norms". If labelling them helps with their being accepted widely throughout society and makes "normal" people more tolerant, then it is a good thing.

I think it can sometimes do more harm than good. However you know your own child and what makes their life easier and healthier.

 

[GreersElbow]

Society is absolutely responsible for drug abuse, just as it is crime. It's not a coincidence that the places with the highest social equality have the lowest rates of these things.

Please back this up, this is an appalling attempt to try and explain the sociology behind drug abuse.

 

[Nibble]

This is so far from my experience of autism as a parent and teacher it is not funny.

Well as a kid that was yanked in and out of hospital appointments, special education units, one on ones etc in a bid to diagnose me with anything from food allergies to Autism I can tell you, sometimes it's best to let a kid develop as they will without all this nonsense.

 

[KZNSeagull]

I think it can sometimes do more harm than good. However you know your own child and what makes their life easier and healthier.

If it helps, the children that you described above do not sound autistic to me - more like ADHD. If you met a genuinely autistic child, you would maybe understand a bit better. They do not "muck about" - they are trying to conform in a world that is alien to them. Watch the movie "Temple Grandin" - you may find it very interesting.

 

[Guinness Boy]

If it helps, the children that you described above do not sound autistic to me - more like ADHD. If you met a genuinely autistic child, you would maybe understand a bit better. They do not "muck about" - they are trying to conform in a world that is alien to them. Watch the movie "Temple Grandin" - you may find it very interesting.

Or read "Send in the Idiots" by Kamran Nazeer, himself autistic. One of the best books I've ever read on any topic. He slam dunks the CTs and Andrew Wakefield rather nicely.

 

[Questions]

Okay, so what's your reasons for the sharp increase in autism? Considering your so quick to write off other peoples views on the cause of autism, what's yours?

There is no more autism it's just that the condition in now better recognised and governments are funding their support so they can receive an inclusive education within mainstream schools instead of being hidden away in special needs schools.

 

[timco]

People get power on 30% of 50% of the people eligible to vote how is this any kind of mandate Paxman?

If 50% have voted for no one surely no one should be elected?

Turn up spoil the ballot paper let these self serving corrupt individuals know that you don't vote because you don't think anyone is worth voting for Brand other wise they can say you don't vote because you don't care who is elected.

 

[Questions]

Every single kid I've met whose parents have had them diagnosed with Aspergers/Autism (or mucking about as it used to be called) just seems a bit wimpy to me rather than ill. They usually fall into two distinct categories, chavvy parents whose kid won't pull their socks up or upper middle class parents whose kid thinks they are a bit more special than the others and rules don't apply to them. Most can usually be found sitting on the couch at 11am on a schoolday. God help them when they get to working age, they'll be straight on benefits as they won't be able to associate work with reward as most of them just get allowed to behave how they want and get to go and do whatever their specific supposed savant trait is, usually they get to draw or play with model bricks or summat while the other kids get on with learning useful stuff.

Nibble, I'm surprised at you. Although you can be a total nob at times and NSC needs people like you, I've never had you down as a moron or are you really that bored today ?

 

[KZNSeagull]

Or read "Send in the Idiots" by Kamran Nazeer, himself autistic. One of the best books I've ever read on any topic. He slam dunks the CTs and Andrew Wakefield rather nicely.

Will keep an eye out for that. Thanks!

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

There is no more autism it's just that the condition in now better recognised and governments are funding their support so they can receive an inclusive education within mainstream schools instead of being hidden away in special needs schools.

That depends on the level of Autism. There is a school relatively near us south of Winchester which is a specialist state school for children with autism who can not deal with mainstream education. The daughter of a friend of ours goes there.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Every single kid I've met whose parents have had them diagnosed with Aspergers/Autism (or mucking about as it used to be called) just seems a bit wimpy to me rather than ill. They usually fall into two distinct categories, chavvy parents whose kid won't pull their socks up or upper middle class parents whose kid thinks they are a bit more special than the others and rules don't apply to them. Most can usually be found sitting on the couch at 11am on a schoolday. God help them when they get to working age, they'll be straight on benefits as they won't be able to associate work with reward as most of them just get allowed to behave how they want and get to go and do whatever their specific supposed savant trait is, usually they get to draw or play with model bricks or summat while the other kids get on with learning useful stuff.

Dreadful. I could understand it if you were talking about ADHD, which could possibly relate to just plain naughtiness.

Autism is a completely different kettle of fish, and more severely autistic children, the likes of which you have obviously never met, would have great difficulty in relating to other people, doing anything that is out of their very strict routine and plenty of other things. I am not an expert on the matter, but I certainly know enough to realise that people with more severe autism can not function normally in society.

 

[symyjym]

Great documentary by Louie Theroux - Extreme Love: Autism

Agree, a very good watch as we expect from Louie

 

[Nibble]

I don't think people have really understood my post about parents having their kids diagnosed with aspergers etc. I do believe it is over diagnosed but I'm not talking about genuine autistic kids, read the first few lines of the post. Read and understand. SO many knee jerkers on here it's exhausting.

 

[KZNSeagull]

I don't think people have really understood my post about parents having their kids diagnosed with aspergers etc. I do believe it is over diagnosed but I'm not talking about genuine autistic kids, read the first few lines of the post. Read and understand. SO many knee jerkers on here it's exhausting.

I believe it is over diagnosed too, but are you saying that some parents are choosing to have their kids diagnosed with asperger's?

 

[Questions]

That depends on the level of Autism. There is a school relatively near us south of Winchester which is a specialist state school for children with autism who can not deal with mainstream education. The daughter of a friend of ours goes there.

Well obviously with autism covering such a broad spectrum they're are always levels of low functioning.

 

[Nibble]

I believe it is over diagnosed too, but are you saying that some parents are choosing to have their kids diagnosed with asperger's?

Some people want their kids to be special. By any means necessary.