[Football] Bournemouth to sue hawk eye

[One Love]

Who's responsible for turning it on, the host club ?

You would hope not.

 

[dsr-burnley]

When is Hawkeye not Hawkeye . WHEN ITS NOT TURNED ON.. i recon that was the real issue.

Do you think Hawkeye and Michael Oliver are lying when they said they tested it before the game? Or are you saying someone turned it off after it was tested?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

This is correct, I think. Reversing relegation won't happen, just as West Ham weren't demoted and Sheffield United reinstated over the Tevez/Mascherano business, which was a strong case. But they did have to pay compensation, so there is a precedent.

It was said in some of this morning's papers that all clubs sign up to Premier League rules, which say that goalline technology may not work and that in that case the referee's decision stands. And I think most people approve of GLT. But VAR also let Sheffield United down, and I think most fans would be very much behind AFCB if they launched a case against that. But who would pay any compensation? the Premier League?

VAR made a mistake, which VAR admitted to, giving our penalty against Everton. If Bournemouth are successful then surely West Ham can claim compo for a lower league position....and the loss of money which comes with this?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

When is Hawkeye not Hawkeye . WHEN ITS NOT TURNED ON.. i recon that was the real issue.

I thought the reason it wasn’t given was due to the numerous cameras it uses being obscured by players and the goal post? I.e. it was turned on.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

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[blue-shifted]

I’d be fuming if I were you though. I cannot get how VAR couldn’t use common sense - I don’t buy this ‘VAR was told to leave that to the Hawkeye technology’ - it was clear within seconds on a replay the technology had failed - just use common sense!

Of course you can't say Villa would have lost that game had the goal been allowed (many ‘fans’ seem to not understand goals change games and tactics etc) but they were woeful in that game and I’m pretty sure Sheff Utd would have won if it would have been given. The fact they stayed up by a point is absolutely farcical - shame on the VAR for having no bollocks at all - they could have stopped the game for 5 mins and called someone senior to say look there’s been a clear error and we want to allow the goal even if it isn’t our ‘duty’. Absurd that it didn’t happen - you won’t get a more clear and obvious decision which is not down to opinion - it was so clearly over!

Fuming yeh, but rubbish decisions have happened since day dot in football.

I was watching that game. Shouted goal the second it went in, (felt confused and a bit silly when it wasn't given).

What gets me is how, does the ref and lino not see it? Everyone saw it. It wasn't a momentary thing, it was in the goal for about 3 seconds. I get that he's relying on his watch. Surely he must have known though.

OK then, Hawkeye has cocked it up, the ref and the lino have over-relied on it. OK then so this is the upside of having to endure a terrible season of VAR. They can correct a massive howler from the officials. No they decline to take it.

Shocking officiating all round. Weak, inept, everyone passing the buck. Entirely unsurprising. No sympathy to Muff, though. They deserved relegation

 

[blue-shifted]

I thought the reason it wasn’t given was due to the numerous cameras it uses being obscured by players and the goal post? I.e. it was turned on.

This was the explanation given yes. Probably this is the reason, though there are a few that are saying that it was turned off and they are using the players there as an excuse.

 

[Jim D]

This was the explanation given yes. Probably this is the reason, though there are a few that are saying that it was turned off and they are using the players there as an excuse.

Is there somewhere that says how the GLT works? Is it a sensor or is it a person(s) looking at a tv monitor from various angles? The graphic that comes up to support a goal does seem very computer-ish, so I had always thought it was driven by a sensor on the goalframe (and something in the ball).

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Is there somewhere that says how the GLT works? Is it a sensor or is it a person(s) looking at a tv monitor from various angles? The graphic that comes up to support a goal does seem very computer-ish, so I had always thought it was driven by a sensor on the goalframe (and something in the ball).

It’s based on calibrated cameras, which calculate where the ball is. This calculation is used to determine if it’s a goal or not. There’s no sensors or anything in the ball.

 

[blue-shifted]

It’s based on calibrated cameras, which calculate where the ball is. This calculation is used to determine if it’s a goal or not. There’s no sensors or anything in the ball.

And Hawkeye claim, (which is completely plausible) is that it failed in this instance, because the particular position of the players meant that not enough cameras were on the ball to triangulate whether it went into the goal. First time it's happened and the worst possible outcome for them happened, it decided a (£100's of million) relegation spot ...... if you ignore the fact that there are about 300 other variables in place not least Bournemouth regularly ship 60+ goals per season

 

[Bodian]

I’d be fuming if I were you though. I cannot get how VAR couldn’t use common sense - I don’t buy this ‘VAR was told to leave that to the Hawkeye technology’ - it was clear within seconds on a replay the technology had failed - just use common sense!

Of course you can't say Villa would have lost that game had the goal been allowed (many ‘fans’ seem to not understand goals change games and tactics etc) but they were woeful in that game and I’m pretty sure Sheff Utd would have won if it would have been given. The fact they stayed up by a point is absolutely farcical - shame on the VAR for having no bollocks at all - they could have stopped the game for 5 mins and called someone senior to say look there’s been a clear error and we want to allow the goal even if it isn’t our ‘duty’. Absurd that it didn’t happen - you won’t get a more clear and obvious decision which is not down to opinion - it was so clearly over!

Also, the way West Ham ambled around in that final game, if Villa had needed a win to stay up, I suspect they would have got it.

 

[boik]

I think any talk of suing is just ridiculous. There's never just one incident that gets a team relegated. Are they going to start suing their strikers for missing easy chances, or their keeper for letting easy goals in? Course not, modern football is always about blaming someone else.

GLT is one of the most reliable things about football but nothing is 100%. Just accept they weren't good enough and move on.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Is there somewhere that says how the GLT works? Is it a sensor or is it a person(s) looking at a tv monitor from various angles? The graphic that comes up to support a goal does seem very computer-ish, so I had always thought it was driven by a sensor on the goalframe (and something in the ball).

7 fixed cameras are watching the goal line area, and the information from whatever cameras can see the ball is fed into the computer to give an exact position of whether it has crossed the line. Depending on angles and so forth, not all 7 cameras need to be able to see the ball, but more than one needs to be able to see it because of perspective and parallax and so forth. In this case, because the keeper was clutching the ball to his chest and the defender who had pushed him into the net was virtually on top of him and the post as well, not enough of the 7 cameras could see the ball so the computer didn't have enough information to say it had gone in.

It's a bit like satnav. If you can't see three satellites, it doesn't work.

 

[Motogull]

I would have some sympathy if that incident were to have happened at 90+ minutes in the final game. It didn't. Let's not forget that Bournemouth were the only team to lose to the wankpuffins on project restart. That to me is enough. Down you go without touching the sides.