[News] Bournemouth Beach - Major Incident Declared

[pastafarian]

blimey ...i'd be more worried about what is in the water than what is hovering above it.....bathing it toxic muck and excrement.....yummy yum yummy...ffs

Take a hotel kettle with you if going to the beach, do your business and take it home.
No need to be selfish

 

[AlbionBro]

But what do you actually know? What has been reported?

This is undoubtedly a very nasty virus, but you can chuck stats about to prove any point you would like to make....

I agree stats can always have two sides. But when lives are at a real threat, do you still want to chance it? I do have a retired scientist friend who knows quite a few people involved, he keeps saying to me only a small % of the country have had Coronavirus, even if their estimate is out, there is still many that have not had this. A virus of this relevance does not hide away, it will come back and these youngster will be the super spreaders who will be responsible for not heeding the rules.
Can I just appeal to you to be careful for others, even if you care not about yourself?

 

[Lower West Stander]

I agree stats can always have two sides. But when lives are at a real threat, do you still want to chance it? I do have a retired scientist friend who knows quite a few people involved, he keeps saying to me only a small % of the country have had Coronavirus, even if their estimate is out, there is still many that have not had this. A virus of this relevance does not hide away, it will come back and these youngster will be the super spreaders who will be responsible for not heeding the rules.
Can I just appeal to you to be careful for others, even if you care not about yourself?

Your last sentence is a bit silly. I live with a nurse who works on a Covid ward.

As I’ve said, this is a nasty virus and what you said is right - it is all about being sensible. Bournemouth was definitely not that.

But there’s a line between being sensible and being scared. Chance what? Going out? I was in queue the other day and a woman walked through it about 6 inches in front of me. Nothing I could do.

And how do you know it will come back?


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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Your last sentence is a bit silly. I live with a nurse who works on a Covid ward.

As I’ve said, this is a nasty virus and what you said is right - it is all about being sensible. Bournemouth was definitely not that.

But there’s a line between being sensible and being scared. Chance what? Going out? I was in queue the other day and a woman walked through it about 6 inches in front of me. Nothing I could do.

And how do you know it will come back?


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As posted elsewhere, earlier today. The second wave has already started in America, and their highest number of new cases was recorded....yesterday.

 

[Bozza]

As posted elsewhere, earlier today. The second wave has already started in America, and their highest number of new cases was recorded....yesterday.

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They really haven’t (I’ve been following this closely every day).

They’re still in their first wave and it’s continuing to build. Florida have announced c9,000 new infections today, just creeping beyond their precious high of c5,000 earlier this week.

 

[hart's shirt]

We've been swimming since late May

It's probably time to get out now.

 

[Stat Brother]

They really haven’t (I’ve been following this closely every day).

They’re still in their first wave and it’s continuing to build. Florida have announced c9,000 new infections today, just creeping beyond their precious high of c5,000 earlier this week.

I too have been closely following the US numbers since a row broke out about the deaths per million numbers.

At the time Trump was being praised for keeping them at 150.

6 weeks later they are now just shy of 400 deaths per million population.

I can't remember a single decrease, or for that matter 'holding steady at...'.

America has been on perpetual rise, with many levels of government feeding the virus.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

They really haven’t (I’ve been following this closely every day).

They’re still in their first wave and it’s continuing to build. Florida have announced c9,000 new infections today, just creeping beyond their precious high of c5,000 earlier this week.

Johns Hopkins data. Individual states vary as I noted yesterday. They are either on their first peak and going up, or over it. Averages....the average gender in the UK is, understandably, transgender. Eitherway, some states need to be avoided. Unless you are young, like you, and it hardly matters (till you get home and pass it on to the olds).

 

[pastafarian]

They really haven’t (I’ve been following this closely every day).

They’re still in their first wave and it’s continuing to build. Florida have announced c9,000 new infections today, just creeping beyond their precious high of c5,000 earlier this week.

Have been keeping an eye on this, its worrying new highs are spreading from the Miami, Palm Beach and Fort Lauderdale areas which have previously born the brunt.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Your last sentence is a bit silly. I live with a nurse who works on a Covid ward.

As I’ve said, this is a nasty virus and what you said is right - it is all about being sensible. Bournemouth was definitely not that.

But there’s a line between being sensible and being scared. Chance what? Going out? I was in queue the other day and a woman walked through it about 6 inches in front of me. Nothing I could do.

And how do you know it will come back?


No one knows for sure but if it doesn't come back again and again, it will have behaved differently from every other new virus ever encountered on this planet. Those more experienced in these matters tend to agree that the likelihood of it coming back, again and again, for years and years, is very strong.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

I agree stats can always have two sides. But when lives are at a real threat, do you still want to chance it? I do have a retired scientist friend who knows quite a few people involved, he keeps saying to me only a small % of the country have had Coronavirus, even if their estimate is out, there is still many that have not had this. A virus of this relevance does not hide away, it will come back and these youngster will be the super spreaders who will be responsible for not heeding the rules.
Can I just appeal to you to be careful for others, even if you care not about yourself?

Sorry...but you are wasting your breath.
Too many have already decided that being careful isn't for them. Lots of these people were breaking lockdown weeks ago. Visiting or hosting friends and family. Private gatherings, private parties, couples meeting up secretly. This was replicated all over the country. Now we have people travelling on public transport with no face coverings. Supermarkets failing to control their own staff and the general public out and about, brushing past each other or lingering in groups.
The scenes from Bournemouth were no surprise. The arrogant and uninterested. As long as they are doing what they want to do, sod the rest of you. No behavioural change. 33 tonnes of rubbish on one beach, in one day. Someone else's job to clear it up. Discarded clothes, faeces everwhere. This is the reality in our society. No respect, no social conscience.
No thought given to the fact that some of them will cause the deaths of their parents and grandparents. Hey ho...let them have their fun in the sun.

 

[darkwolf666]

Sorry...but you are wasting your breath.
Too many have already decided that being careful isn't for them. Lots of these people were breaking lockdown weeks ago. Visiting or hosting friends and family. Private gatherings, private parties, couples meeting up secretly. This was replicated all over the country. Now we have people travelling on public transport with no face coverings. Supermarkets failing to control their own staff and the general public out and about, brushing past each other or lingering in groups.
The scenes from Bournemouth were no surprise. The arrogant and uninterested. As long as they are doing what they want to do, sod the rest of you. No behavioural change. 33 tonnes of rubbish on one beach, in one day. Someone else's job to clear it up. Discarded clothes, faeces everwhere. This is the reality in our society. No respect, no social conscience.
No thought given to the fact that some of them will cause the deaths of their parents and grandparents. Hey ho...let them have their fun in the sun.

Really couldn't have put it better myself, well said...

We now live in a **** you I'm alright society, it really does worry me for the future in general and not just the Covid one.

 

[portlock seagull]

Sorry...but you are wasting your breath.
Too many have already decided that being careful isn't for them. Lots of these people were breaking lockdown weeks ago. Visiting or hosting friends and family. Private gatherings, private parties, couples meeting up secretly. This was replicated all over the country. Now we have people travelling on public transport with no face coverings. Supermarkets failing to control their own staff and the general public out and about, brushing past each other or lingering in groups.
The scenes from Bournemouth were no surprise. The arrogant and uninterested. As long as they are doing what they want to do, sod the rest of you. No behavioural change. 33 tonnes of rubbish on one beach, in one day. Someone else's job to clear it up. Discarded clothes, faeces everwhere. This is the reality in our society. No respect, no social conscience.
No thought given to the fact that some of them will cause the deaths of their parents and grandparents. Hey ho...let them have their fun in the sun.

Sadly, you appear right. Brilliantly articulated too. Well said. Boris should use it to address the nation.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

No one knows for sure but if it doesn't come back again and again, it will have behaved differently from every other new virus ever encountered on this planet. Those more experienced in these matters tend to agree that the likelihood of it coming back, again and again, for years and years, is very strong.

Once the virus is with us it will stay with us, however in the case of SARS it’s been very quiet. As far as I’m aware there hasn’t been one death since the first outbreak. The question that needs an answer is just how dangerous it is now compared to the peak. A couple of reports out of Spain and Italy indicate from swab tests that the severity of the virus is greatly reduced hence drop in hospitalisations.
The assumption that it will return repeatedly with the same level of severity is flawed as this has not been the case with other coronavirus’s.


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[Bold Seagull]

Sadly, you appear right. Brilliantly articulated too. Well said. Boris should use it to address the nation.

Will he use his chief of staff (or whatever he is) who [MENTION=17103]Mo Gosfield[/MENTION] appears to be describing personally who was doing what he wanted while all ‘the people’ were locked in their homes observing the rules to write it? It’s our PM and his team that have relaxed the restrictions, go out, get some sun, stay 2m apart but other than that as long as you’re alert it’s all fine, as long as your alert.

Much of what happened at Bournemouth is the authorities not putting measures in place. Brighton is quite well structured. Public toilets are available, stewards open and close access to which section of beach depending on numbers.

Fact is packed buses and tubes are running every minute in London. It’s typical of the media we obsess about a few thousand people on a beach, when there are far more pressing matters like tracing, tracking, testing - they are the ways you get back to some normality, not having a hissy fit because of a couple of sunny days.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Once the virus is with us it will stay with us, however in the case of SARS it’s been very quiet. As far as I’m aware there hasn’t been one death since the first outbreak. The question that needs an answer is just how dangerous it is now compared to the peak. A couple of reports out of Spain and Italy indicate from swab tests that the severity of the virus is greatly reduced hence drop in hospitalisations.
The assumption that it will return repeatedly with the same level of severity is flawed as this has not been the case with other coronavirus’s.

Good point, why did MERS and SARS not come back given still no vaccine, in fact it disappeared to the extent no one even bothered to create one, hence the assumption of not being able to find vaccines for coronavirus is partly flawed because the research simply wasn’t funded.

 

[AlbionBro]

Your last sentence is a bit silly. I live with a nurse who works on a Covid ward.

As I’ve said, this is a nasty virus and what you said is right - it is all about being sensible. Bournemouth was definitely not that.

But there’s a line between being sensible and being scared. Chance what? Going out? I was in queue the other day and a woman walked through it about 6 inches in front of me. Nothing I could do.

And how do you know it will come back?


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I am not sure if you are being serious or not, but I do need to tell you what my scientist's friend told me. If you want to pop to the shop just for a bag of sugar, then don't, take your tea without sugar, and have a biscuit with it instead. Every time you get within people the risk is there.

A vaccine or a cure is the only real alternatives to stop this, the second wave is coming according to him, initially from all those protests, the top-up wave will come from the beaches, this will follow this in 21 to 28 days.

You may not want to listen to the advice being given, but these are wise words from people who know what they are talking about, so please inform your, young friends, that they are potentially adding to the death toll.

Meantime stay safe.

 

[highflyer]

Sorry...but you are wasting your breath.
Too many have already decided that being careful isn't for them. Lots of these people were breaking lockdown weeks ago. Visiting or hosting friends and family. Private gatherings, private parties, couples meeting up secretly. This was replicated all over the country. Now we have people travelling on public transport with no face coverings. Supermarkets failing to control their own staff and the general public out and about, brushing past each other or lingering in groups.
The scenes from Bournemouth were no surprise. The arrogant and uninterested. As long as they are doing what they want to do, sod the rest of you. No behavioural change. 33 tonnes of rubbish on one beach, in one day. Someone else's job to clear it up. Discarded clothes, faeces everwhere. This is the reality in our society. No respect, no social conscience.
No thought given to the fact that some of them will cause the deaths of their parents and grandparents. Hey ho...let them have their fun in the sun.

Warning: long post which contains both politics and positivity.

I understand the emotions behind this. Believe me I do. It's not good to see people acting as though the virus has gone away, especially if you are vulnerable, or people close to you.

And I have little comprehension of why anyone would want to be on a beach that crowded, in 30 degrees while a virus is still in circulation. Or why anyone would think it's OK to walk off and leave their crap (literally in some cases) behind.

But. It's important also to understand what's going on here and what the real situation is, rather than what we are being invited to think by a media with an agenda.

First of all - as the photo's from [MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] show, the photo of crowding on that beach was very deliberately manipulated. The question is why? In reality, the rsks of transmission would have been very low. And we are only being shown the very worst. All over the UK I am sure there were beaches and areas of countryside where people visisted, behaved sensibly and cleaned up after themselves. But that isn't news.

While I know there's a lot of mess being left behind, that's largely the same mess that usually gets deposited in hedgerows by the roadside across our contryside. A small number of people are just awful. We already knew that. And as discussed above, UK is not unique in that regard.I have travelled a lot, and lived in many countries and cultures. People really aren't that different anywhere (despite what we keep being told). A few are ********s, most are essentially decent.

Is there a second wave coming? Maybe. But there is no reason to think it is inevitable. What we are seeing so far in other countries and regions that have been hard hit, and largely come out the other side, is localised outbreaks. I would have much preferred it had we locked down sooner and kept going a bit longer. It would have ensured we had lower levels of infection and we'd be in a better place to manage things going forward. So yes, I am nervous.

But things are definitely far better than they could be. Infection rates are sufficently low that individual risk right now is minimal. We are testing at a far higher level than ever, and have capacity to do even more. We have some sort of track and trace system going. The outcomes for hospitalized patients is far far better than it was, as we learn to manage and treat the disease better. New treatments are in active development and there are genuine hopes of a vaccine being available within 6 months.

Now, all this is despite, rather than because of, one of the most heroically incompetent governments it is possible to imagine (with exception of our orange friend across the pond). They could hardly have handled this worse, in almost every regard. Not least the whole PR fiasco of Cummings and spending nearly a million quid on painting an aeroplane at a time when so many are struggling to survive financially (and when we should all be thinking about how we are going to fly less in future). We are only in the position we are in because of the tireless work of dedicated public servants, especially health and care workers.

So it's pretty clear what the agenda is for the government and media. Distract attention from the government's incompetence by shifting blame onto the 'people'. Especially all those poor people, that haven't got gardens so have flocked to the beach in reponse to the deliberately vague guidelines.

How quickly we forget that just a few weeks ago this country came together, with the vast majority of people following the rules, locking down, often at personal cost, and working TOGETHER to support our front line health staff and to protect those most vulnerable.

We have't become a different country in a month. But for the protection of Boris and chums, the 'story' needs to be changed.
Don't fall for it.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I am not sure if you are being serious or not, but I do need to tell you what my scientist's friend told me. If you want to pop to the shop just for a bag of sugar, then don't, take your tea without sugar, and have a biscuit with it instead. Every time you get within people the risk is there.

A vaccine or a cure is the only real alternatives to stop this, the second wave is coming according to him, initially from all those protests, the top-up wave will come from the beaches, this will follow this in 21 to 28 days.

You may not want to listen to the advice being given, but these are wise words from people who know what they are talking about, so please inform your, young friends, that they are potentially adding to the death toll.

Meantime stay safe.

Sorry, but a day at Bournemouth beach is insignificant compared to buses, tubes and trains running every day in the capital. Even if the tube is at 50% of normal capacity, that is 1 million people per day in confined internal spaces with recycled air, surfaces to be touched. And you or your scientist friend are saying it's more significant that outside in the sunshine a few thousand people at the beach for a day or 2 are going to have a more significant impact? I really can't see it.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Warning: long post which contains both politics and positivity.

I understand the emotions behind this. Believe me I do. It's not good to see people acting as though the virus has gone away, especially if you are vulnerable, or people close to you.

And I have little comprehension of why anyone would want to be on a beach that crowded, in 30 degrees while a virus is still in circulation. Or why anyone would think it's OK to walk off and leave their crap (literally in some cases) behind.

But. It's important also to understand what's going on here and what the real situation is, rather than what we are being invited to think by a media with an agenda.

First of all - as the photo's from [MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] show, the photo of crowding on that beach was very deliberately manipulated. The question is why? In reality, the rsks of transmission would have been very low. And we are only being shown the very worst. All over the UK I am sure there were beaches and areas of countryside where people visisted, behaved sensibly and cleaned up after themselves. But that isn't news.

While I know there's a lot of mess being left behind, that's largely the same mess that usually gets deposited in hedgerows by the roadside across our contryside. A small number of people are just awful. We already knew that. And as discussed above, UK is not unique in that regard.I have travelled a lot, and lived in many countries and cultures. People really aren't that different anywhere (despite what we keep being told). A few are ********s, most are essentially decent.

Is there a second wave coming? Maybe. But there is no reason to think it is inevitable. What we are seeing so far in other countries and regions that have been hard hit, and largely come out the other side, is localised outbreaks. I would have much preferred it had we locked down sooner and kept going a bit longer. It would have ensured we had lower levels of infection and we'd be in a better place to manage things going forward. So yes, I am nervous.

But things are definitely far better than they could be. Infection rates are sufficently low that individual risk right now is minimal. We are testing at a far higher level than ever, and have capacity to do even more. We have some sort of track and trace system going. The outcomes for hospitalized patients is far far better than it was, as we learn to manage and treat the disease better. New treatments are in active development and there are genuine hopes of a vaccine being available within 6 months.

Now, all this is despite, rather than because of, one of the most heroically incompetent governments it is possible to imagine (with exception of our orange friend across the pond). They could hardly have handled this worse, in almost every regard. Not least the whole PR fiasco of Cummings and spending nearly a million quid on painting an aeroplane at a time when so many are struggling to survive financially (and when we should all be thinking about how we are going to fly less in future). We are only in the position we are in because of the tireless work of dedicated public servants, especially health and care workers.

So it's pretty clear what the agenda is for the government and media. Distract attention from the government's incompetence by shifting blame onto the 'people'. Especially all those poor people, that haven't got gardens so have flocked to the beach in reponse to the deliberately vague guidelines.

How quickly we forget that just a few weeks ago this country came together, with the vast majority of people following the rules, locking down, often at personal cost, and working TOGETHER to support our front line health staff and to protect those most vulnerable.

We have't become a different country in a month. But for the protection of Boris and chums, the 'story' needs to be changed.
Don't fall for it.

Very well said.