[Albion] Bottle Top BAN!

[nwgull]

Not so. When thrown, bottles settle into a trajectory of turning rapidly end-to-end. This is what makes them dangerous when full, as I can attest to first hand, as if the end hits you on the head it'll do far more damage than the larger, softer sides, but it means they empty rapidly if no top is on. Also, what water is left when it hits will be rapidly forced out, meaning less likelihood of serious injury.

Regarding coins and other potential missiles, it depends where you draw the line, taking into account the practicalities of policing any controls. It's relatively easy to stop people taking larger, visible items in, or keeping an eye out for bottles with lids on, but not to have everyone empty their pockets of coins, lighters etc. Also, although there have been recent incidents of coin and lighter throwing, they're less common than throwing bottles, so it also come down to likelihood. Coins is a non-starter anyway, until we become cashless, as even if you didn't take any in, what do you do once you splash the paper and need change?

Exactly. Everybody has a legit need to carry around cash. And even if they were to ban anything other than folding cash, they’d then need to price everything sold in the concourses in multiples of £5. It’s even less practical than banning shoes in case we get some Arab tourists that want to show their displeasure in the most extreme way in their culture. Banning sealed bottles is however quite easy, and it doesn’t really cause a huge amount of inconvenience.

I remember someone threw their mobile phone at a Chesterfield player in that heated game up at Saltergate back in 2000. That’s probably the stupidest thing I’ve seem thrown at a football match for a couple of reasons.

 

[driddles]

Ok.....I'll bite!

a) What terrorist threat is being averted by the removal of tops from plastic bottles?

b) Why is a plastic bottle with a top on a terrorist threat now when it clearly wasn't two weeks ago?

lol - that response wasn't to do with the bottle tops.

 

[dsr-burnley]

The biggest problem with this stupid rule? It won't work.

Yes, law-abiding people who want to use a bottle to hold liquid and to drink from will not have a bottle top. So what? They shouldn't be the people who are being targeted.

But criminal-minded people who want to use a bottle to throw at someone or to hold explosives? They will not be inconvenienced, because they will carry a bottle top with them and will replace it before throwing/bombing.

So what good does the rule do? None at all.

 

[Goldstone1976]

The biggest problem with this stupid rule? It won't work.

Yes, law-abiding people who want to use a bottle to hold liquid and to drink from will not have a bottle top. So what? They shouldn't be the people who are being targeted.

But criminal-minded people who want to use a bottle to throw at someone or to hold explosives? They will not be inconvenienced, because they will carry a bottle top with them and will replace it before throwing/bombing.

So what good does the rule do? None at all.

Agreed. And therefore there must be some other reason that the club are doing it. I can think of two off the top of my head:

1 they’re morons
2 they want to try to mitigate against someone bringing a case against them in the event that something bad happens.

I know which I think is more likely. Do you have an opinion?

 

[Hastings gull]

The biggest problem with this stupid rule? It won't work.

Yes, law-abiding people who want to use a bottle to hold liquid and to drink from will not have a bottle top. So what? They shouldn't be the people who are being targeted.

But criminal-minded people who want to use a bottle to throw at someone or to hold explosives? They will not be inconvenienced, because they will carry a bottle top with them and will replace it before throwing/bombing.

So what good does the rule do? None at all.

Yes, anyone totally intent on causing mayhem for whatever reason, will find ways to hide a bottle top, but the club needs to be squeaky clean with regard to being seen to doing their utmost to guarantee fan safety. Yes, it is all seemingly petty, but these rules reflect the age in which we live, sadly. You could argue that potentially all rules are pointless, as some folk will break them, but it doesn't mean that the rule itself is pointless necessarily. I imagine that everyone breaks the 30 mph rule, probably on a regular basis, even if marginally, when they can -but very few would say that it is a pointless rule.

 

[southstandandy]

Surely the football on the pitch gets booted into the crowd far more often and represents a far bigger threat to the supporters!

I think the match should therefore in future only see a size 5 fabric ball used or as we're by the coast maybe a beach ball?

 

[Hungry Joe]

Surely the football on the pitch gets booted into the crowd far more often and represents a far bigger threat to the supporters!

I think the match should therefore in future only see a size 5 fabric ball used or as we're by the coast maybe a beach ball?

I've been hit in the face / head twice at football (so perhaps the bottle near miss thing proves the '3rd time lucky adage'). First time was coins at Selhurst in 1985 (that really hurt!), second time was at Lancing's Culver Road ground when Dan Harding, playing for the Reserves, booted a clearance right into my face whilst I was taking a sip of coffee (that really hurt too!). Dan did apologise, and to be fair it was a cracking tackle (yes, we are talking about the same Dan Harding).

 

[zefarelly]

I got hit my coins and concrete on the east terrace thrown by Leeds fans, late 80's I guess, a gang of them wearing WWII German helmets with SS on the side, I think they were just trying to get our attention for a friendly chat.

I had a little bottle of wine at the Chelsea match, lid left on, and took it into the North stand to sip as I watched. Very civilised.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Decisions decisions today ...do I stick the flask or bottle top down the front of my ...

 

[Stat Brother]

Decisions decisions today ...do I stick the flask or bottle top down the front of my ...

Bottle top...








...more believable.

 

[amexer]

Should be ok. I am taking bottle in and friend taking the top. Also aiming to tape top under seat for future use.

 

[Hungry Joe]

Also aiming to tape top under seat for future use.

You haven't thought that bit through too much have you

 

[Ernest]

I have a CUNNING plan to get my bottle in but I can't let on in case I get STRIP searched at the turn styles

 

[Geestar]

Throw in after 40 secs....

I believe I saw a bottle top in the front row!

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[A1X]

Why does Hughton get to have a cap?

 

[Geestar]

Why does Hughton get to have a cap?

He's one man who can have one

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[beorhthelm]

to resurect this old topic, first experince of the bottle top ban, with the lad so have bag with a snack and drink. get asked to check the bag, is there any bottle... yes... removes bottle cap to my grumbling, with "just following the rules guv"... then waved us in.

didnt actually bother to search me.

 

[BensGrandad]

to resurect this old topic, first experince of the bottle top ban, with the lad so have bag with a snack and drink. get asked to check the bag, is there any bottle... yes... removes bottle cap to my grumbling, with "just following the rules guv"... then waved us in.

didnt actually bother to search me.

That happens to me every game as if they have done their job by throwing the top away

 

[Superphil]

Was served a bottle of water in 1901 today, complete with functioning bottle top ��

 

[swindonseagull]

Had my bottle top taken but didnt spill a drop.....cant tell you how.....its a secret.