[Albion] Bottle Top BAN!

[Goldstone1976]

Is duct tape on the banned list?

 

[Gritt23]

We are getting close to not being able to take any creature comforts into the ground with us ..... not when they can be sold to us inside instead.

Yes, 20 years ago and more things were getting taken off you, but if we are saying it's the same experience today then charge us like it was 20 years ago. If you believe the "matchday experience" has moved on to the equivalent of a theatre ticket, then allow us to bring things in with us accordingly.

Everyone is in a numbered seat, easily identifiable if someone is seen luzzing something pitchward, and THEY can be banned.

To make it a quick punishment for all is just about making us buy on the concourse, and replace more drinks as they will get spilled FAR more often now.

Food next .....

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

not to mention the general patronising tone of the emails.

100% this.

Whether the club are right or wrong is certainly open to discussion, but it's a dreadfully arrogant and patronising email - awful PR

 

[Ernest]

We are getting close to not being able to take any creature comforts into the ground with us ..... not when they can be sold to us inside instead.

Yes, 20 years ago and more things were getting taken off you, but if we are saying it's the same experience today then charge us like it was 20 years ago. If you believe the "matchday experience" has moved on to the equivalent of a theatre ticket, then allow us to bring things in with us accordingly.

Everyone is in a numbered seat, easily identifiable if someone is seen luzzing something pitchward, and THEY can be banned.

To make it a quick punishment for all is just about making us buy on the concourse, and replace more drinks as they will get spilled FAR more often now.

Food next .....

Too much profit in pies to ban them even though one was thrown at a player

 

[Hungry Joe]

Everyone is in a numbered seat, easily identifiable if someone is seen luzzing something pitchward, and THEY can be banned.

To make it a quick punishment for all is just about making us buy on the concourse, and replace more drinks as they will get spilled FAR more often now.

Have to disagree, per my earlier post, a retrospective ban wouldn't have stopped either a serious injury or worse had the bottle that shaved my ear connected with my head, or that of the person in front or behind of me. It's a safety thing, simple as, any suggestion it is about profit I think is grossly unfair. I have been a critic of the club where I think their motives are primarily commercial, not in this case.

 

[Gritt23]

Too much profit in pies to ban them even though one was thrown at a player

LOL, no, they will ban us bringing any of our own food in so they sell more. Obviously they are not going to stop selling, well, anything!

 

[Gritt23]

Have to disagree, per my earlier post, a retrospective ban wouldn't have stopped either a serious injury or worse had the bottle that shaved my ear connected with my head, or that of the person in front or behind of me. It's a safety thing, simple as, any suggestion it is about profit I think is grossly unfair. I have been a critic of the club where I think their motives are primarily commercial, not in this case.

Yeah, I did see that post, and it is quite shocking. But why didn't that incident bring about a ban on bottle tops at the time? What incident has just happened to trigger it?

Just feels like they have jumped on some convenient crowd related incidents of late to further reduce what we can bring into the ground, which could otherwise be bought in the ground. Are we about to see water bottles banned from the touchline after the incident we had vs Arsenal, or Mourinhos meltdown at Old Trafford? No, and why, because it won't lead to them queuing up on the concourse to buy water instead.

Cynical? Yeah, I know I am.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Have to disagree, per my earlier post, a retrospective ban wouldn't have stopped either a serious injury or worse had the bottle that shaved my ear connected with my head, or that of the person in front or behind of me. It's a safety thing, simple as, any suggestion it is about profit I think is grossly unfair. I have been a critic of the club where I think their motives are primarily commercial, not in this case.

I can see where you are coming from, from a personal experience that's fair enough. But earlier Bozza said 2 and a half million people had visited the Amex. Will 2 and a half million individual visits. I'd say the chances of being hit by a bottle are almost nil. If you are with the club on this one presumably you will back banning coins as they are more likely to be used to hurt someone and will also think very carefully about crossing the road as it is far more dangerous.

 

[Hungry Joe]

At the risk of sounding like a safety nerd, the club have a legal and moral duty of care for players, staff, fans, visitors and anyone else in the ground. Like all public venues they'll have assessed the risks from missiles being thrown and, rightly imo, concluded that full bottles of water / drink pose a significant risk. Yes, the likelihood of one connecting at high speed may be statistically low, but the severity if it happens will always be likely to be high, especially when said missiles could be thrown from great height (WSU in the case of my near miss). There is a reason why virtually all public venues don't let people take bottle tops into the open areas, and it has nothing to do with maximising profits.

 

[Questions]

As a pie has been luzzed a player more recently than a bottle of drink why aren't pies banned

Imagine if that hot gravy from the beef pie hit someone.............Jesus it’s like napalm.
Some of the pie tops are quite loose.......... it’s getting like a war zone out there.

 

[Hungry Joe]

Yeah, I did see that post, and it is quite shocking. But why didn't that incident bring about a ban on bottle tops at the time? What incident has just happened to trigger it?

Just feels like they have jumped on some convenient crowd related incidents of late to further reduce what we can bring into the ground, which could otherwise be bought in the ground. Are we about to see water bottles banned from the touchline after the incident we had vs Arsenal, or Mourinhos meltdown at Old Trafford? No, and why, because it won't lead to them queuing up on the concourse to buy water instead.

Cynical? Yeah, I know I am.

I get the cynicism, I really do. I don't know why the ban is recent, but I would lay money that the club and their safety specialists have reviewed recent incidents and decided that the risk, in terms of likelihood, has increased (there is a rise in these sort of incidents and crowd disorder in general).

 

[Don Tmatter]

All jokes aside is not the sale of soft drinks/water going to drop as you are asked to consume it all before you sit down or risk it being kicked over?

I’d imagine they’re hoping sales will increase as once bottles are spilt, another one may be bought to replace it.

 

[METALMICKY]

Imagine if that hot gravy from the beef pie hit someone.............Jesus it’s like napalm.
Some of the pie tops are quite loose.......... it’s getting like a war zone out there.

Indeed it's a little known fact that the US military were experimenting with dropping McDonald's Apple pies on embedded ISIS positions

 

[portslade seagull]

Indeed it's a little known fact that the US military were experimenting with dropping McDonald's Apple pies on embedded ISIS positions

They would've crumbled then

 

[Ernest]

Imagine if that hot gravy from the beef pie hit someone.............Jesus it’s like napalm.
Some of the pie tops are quite loose.......... it’s getting like a war zone out there.

I had a Christmas PIE flung at me at the Arsenal game, I was picking stuffing out of my nose for DAYS

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I first came across this stupid rule at the Millennium stadium for the play offs in 2004. It was a boiling hot day so took a few drinks with me for my six year old son. Was gobsmacked when they wouldn't allow me to take them in without removing the bottle caps which meant mass spillage.

Since then increasingly away grounds follow the no bottle top rule but sometimes you get away with it. I simply now carry a few bottle tops with me now to away games if I remember. I'm quite sure many will do the same at the AMEX.

The issue that has always been explained to me for the rationale of this is not the throwing of the bottle but the fact that if you stand on a full bottle with bottle lid you will fall over.

It is totally ridiculous but it has to be say that 80%+ of clubs do this now, certainly in the top two divisions. I prefer the bottle lid removal to a few clubs that insist on pouring it into a plastic cup (Man City and Wembley) when the chances of it surviving the match without being spilt are zero.

ps) my late father used to bring a flask and a water bottle so he could take his pills. His blood would boil at this!

I first came across this in 1988, when I was student and working part-time as a steward at Wembley Arena and stadium. The reason which was given to us was that in the event of a evacuation sealed bottles present a hazard as they will not collapse if someone trod on one. This still seems reasonable, logical and sensible to me. I have never once heard this reason repeated though.

Personally I am not too bothered about bottle tops being banned.

One possible loop-hole to weaponise a drink is tea and coffee; lids are still given out for these hot drinks. Having a big cup of hot liquid sale through the air to open upon impact is surely just as worse than a sealed bottle?

 

[jessiejames]

If the steward let's me in with my bottle and lid on and I am seen opening the bottle whilst in my seat, can I still be banned if I said I was not aware of the rule?

 

[ozzygull]

If the steward let's me in with my bottle and lid on and I am seen opening the bottle whilst in my seat, can I still be banned if I said I was not aware of the rule?

That was what the email implied with the “club will not issue anymore warnings” part of the email.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

They would've crumbled then

Did they kill them or take them into custard-y?

 

[jessiejames]

That was what the email implied with the “club will not issue anymore warnings” part of the email.

I have not received the email, or if it has been sent I have not opened it. I have brought a bottle in to the ground with the lid on since the Amex opened never been told I had to remove the lid by any steward.