[Cricket] Botham/Chappell feud

[Greg Bobkin]

Based on that six minutes alone, Prime Video – or whoever produced it – really IS scraping the barrel when it comes to content.

Given the idea of trailers is to encourage people to watch and try and 'sell' the programme/film, that one failed miserably!

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Unbelievable what they did before helmets etc came in!

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The video of that is the most frightening cricket I have ever seen.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

The video of that is the most frightening cricket I have ever seen.

The first 6seconds of this video holds that record for me:



*the clips don't match up to what Colin Croft's saying at all, given they all show English batsman getting in line with the ball and getting hit.

 

[Weststander]

1983 Nat West Quarter Final.

I say he learnt at the match, it was either at the match or close to it. I was upset that he didn't seem to want to talk to me and then I later found out that he wasn't in a good place.

Inevitably one of the tabloids wasn't so considerate when they found out about the situation and blasted it across the headlines.

But that's what they do because they are c****

I went to that.

Somerset batted first making about 300 and won by a country mile. Men against boys.

 

[Eeyore]

I went to that.

Somerset batted first making about 300 and won by a country mile. Men against boys.

You're thinking about '84 when Martin Crowe battered us around the park. Mendis and Parker gave us hope but it was downhill after that. I bunked off school for that one.

'83 was worse. They bowled Sussex out for 65.

 

[Weststander]

You're thinking about '84 when Martin Crowe battered us around the park. Mendis and Parker gave us hope but it was downhill after that. I bunked off school for that one.

'83 was worse. They bowled Sussex out for 65.

I’m not a cricket fanatic especially the county game, I went for a friend on a sunny Wednesday, but remember the irritatingly good Dredge, Popplewell, Denning and Roebuck, as well as their test stars. We saw Botham in the car park getting into a sports car, but weren’t abused . Sunday JPL games on BBC2 always seemed to be from Taunton, sometimes Hove or Southampton.

I found this from the earlier game you mention. I liked Martin Crowe.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I’m not a cricket fanatic especially the county game, I went for a friend on a sunny Wednesday, but remember the irritatingly good Dredge, Popplewell, Denning and Roebuck, as well as their test stars. We saw Botham in the car park getting into a sports car, but weren’t abused . Sunday JPL games on BBC2 always seemed to be from Taunton, sometimes Hove or Southampton.

I found this from the earlier game you mention. I liked Martin Crowe.

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If that is a southerly view, Denis Preston who produced Stranger on the Shore lived there in the penthouse. His daughter Tracy was in the Molesters. I stayed there a couple of times in the 70s.

 

[Weststander]

If that is a southerly view, Denis Preston who produced Stranger on the Shore lived there in the penthouse. His daughter Tracy was in the Molesters. I stayed there a couple of times in the 70s.

Hello, fellow bad bed discipline person . Yes it is.

I don’t like jazz, but adore that tune.

This might be of interest.
https://www.boredteenagers.co.uk/MOLESTERS.htm

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Hello, fellow bad bed discipline person . Yes it is.

I don’t like jazz, but adore that tune.

This might be of interest.
https://www.boredteenagers.co.uk/MOLESTERS.htm

Thanks for the link. Not seen that before. There is another page on the punk Brighton site.

I was at that XTC gig at the New Regent, and had numerous interactions with the Molesters. John and Carole had a sideline in porn and were apparently known for flagrantly having it off in venue dressing rooms. I auditioned as bass player when Paul was looking to form a new line up around late 78, but that didn't happen. I wasn't fond of Paul who I literally bumped into a year earlier at a Piranhas gig at the Alhambra. In very un punk style this 'old' bloke (he was very late 20s in 77, I was 19) got into a shoving contest with me over his personal space during a moment of audience liveliness. I thought 'what a dick'. In 1980 I was sharing a flat with my GF, and Tracy who had been in the band, not sure if she had left or what. She thought inverting Spenser Tracy would make a good stage name. She married Paul for a laugh, but didn't live with him. One evening we came home and Tracy had obviously been in a fight. Apparently she'd gone round Paul's flat and found him in bed with A Lady. Later she was in the Smartees for a bit. Tracy tended to fall out with people, especially women, loathing Carole, and later falling out with Helen McCullogh (MCookerybook). Like her dad, she has had issues with drink. Sober she was great fun. I saw her a bit in the late noughties, but random ranting late night drunken phone calls, plus a kerfuffel she caused at my ex wife's third wedding (don't ask) had me backing away, and I haven't been in touch since 09. I seem to recall that the great love of her life was (actually scrub that. His bother posts on NSC and we discussed this some time ago. Enough said). I am not sure what all that malarkey about squatting was. Paul was definitely not a bored teenager, and Tracy obviously was a trustafarian. Attila (and at least one other poster on NSC) had a run in with the Molesters at the Resources Centre according to something posted on here possibly 20 years ago and they were definitely more the art school end of punk, rather than one chord wonders. One thing I find odd is that I was all over the local scene in the summer of 77 and after that till around 1980, but I never came across Attila or his band. It was all Molesters, Wrist Action (Tom Maltby), Joby and the Hooligans, The Chefs (the GF knew Carl), Piranhas and my favourites (ssshhhh! not 'punk') The Dandies. Tracy's mum (an absolute diamond) was still living in the penthouse 15 years ago but I think they sold Lansdown studios (which I visited around 79).

 

[Weststander]

Thanks for the link. Not seen that before. There is another page on the punk Brighton site.

I was at that XTC gig at the New Regent, and had numerous interactions with the Molesters. John and Carole had a sideline in porn and were apparently known for flagrantly having it off in venue dressing rooms. I auditioned as bass player when Paul was looking to form a new line up around late 78, but that didn't happen. I wasn't fond of Paul who I literally bumped into a year earlier at a Piranhas gig at the Alhambra. In very un punk style this 'old' bloke (he was very late 20s in 77, I was 19) got into a shoving contest with me over his personal space during a moment of audience liveliness. I thought 'what a dick'. In 1980 I was sharing a flat with my GF, and Tracy who had been in the band, not sure if she had left or what. She thought inverting Spenser Tracy would make a good stage name. She married Paul for a laugh, but didn't live with him. One evening we came home and Tracy had obviously been in a fight. Apparently she'd gone round Paul's flat and found him in bed with A Lady. Later she was in the Smartees for a bit. Tracy tended to fall out with people, especially women, loathing Carole, and later falling out with Helen McCullogh (MCookerybook). Like her dad, she has had issues with drink. Sober she was great fun. I saw her a bit in the late noughties, but random ranting late night drunken phone calls, plus a kerfuffel she caused at my ex wife's third wedding (don't ask) had me backing away, and I haven't been in touch since 09. I seem to recall that the great love of her life was (actually scrub that. His bother posts on NSC and we discussed this some time ago. Enough said). I am not sure what all that malarkey about squatting was. Paul was definitely not a bored teenager, and Tracy obviously was a trustafarian. Attila (and at least one other poster on NSC) had a run in with the Molesters at the Resources Centre according to something posted on here possibly 20 years ago and they were definitely more the art school end of punk, rather than one chord wonders. One thing I find odd is that I was all over the local scene in the summer of 77 and after that till around 1980, but I never came across Attila or his band. It was all Molesters, Wrist Action (Tom Maltby), Joby and the Hooligans, The Chefs (the GF knew Carl), Piranhas and my favourites (ssshhhh! not 'punk') The Dandies. Tracy's mum (an absolute diamond) was still living in the penthouse 15 years ago but I think they sold Lansdown studios (which I visited around 79).

Interesting stories!

I didn’t know you‘d dabbled with the bass. I have no musical instrument background, but that would be my choice if I could wind the clock back. Basslines, rhythm my thing.

Funny about him being personal space obsessed at a gig. Part of the fun was being in a surging sardine can, like the old football terraces. Sounds like the classic oaf looking for a row.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Interesting stories!

I didn’t know you‘d dabbled with the bass. I have no musical instrument background, but that would be my choice if I could wind the clock back. Basslines, rhythm my thing.

Funny about him being personal space obsessed at a gig. Part of the fun was being in a surging sardine can, like the old football terraces. Sounds like the classic oaf looking for a row.

I have a good ear and moderately reasonable fingers. Can pick up a chune very quickly. But all my 'band' experiences were as the lead singer. Not a pretty sound, sadly.

The first time I came across major personal space tossers at a punk gig was when I saw The Lurkers ate The Nashville on North End Road in west London in around 78. A couple of punches were thrown (the second one by me - oops!). I mean, why step into a new environment without checking out the scene, then try to impose your rules?

 

[Weststander]

I have a good ear and moderately reasonable fingers. Can pick up a chune very quickly. But all my 'band' experiences were as the lead singer. Not a pretty sound, sadly.

The first time I came across major personal space tossers at a punk gig was when I saw The Lurkers ate The Nashville on North End Road in west London in around 78. A couple of punches were thrown (the second one by me - oops!). I mean, why step into a new environment without checking out the scene, then try to impose your rules?

A bit younger, I missed the entire gobbing and fights thing by a whisker, I started going to non-family-trip gigs in 1980. Plus I didn’t see any modern Ska bands, which helped. I would’ve seen The Stranglers and SLF at the beginning of the 80’s, people were literally there just for the music and amicable bundle.

Mrs.W’s uncle (recently passed away) held a good job at The Suite for decades. A mine of information, he could reel off the gigs with a ton of crowd trouble. All the predictable suspects.

Regarding the bass, could you play a near perfect rendition of JD’s Heart and Soul opening bassline, off the cuff? I was thinking of that wonderful start yesterday.

 

[Lenny Rider]

I’m not a cricket fanatic especially the county game, I went for a friend on a sunny Wednesday, but remember the irritatingly good Dredge, Popplewell, Denning and Roebuck, as well as their test stars. We saw Botham in the car park getting into a sports car, but weren’t abused . Sunday JPL games on BBC2 always seemed to be from Taunton, sometimes Hove or Southampton.

I found this from the earlier game you mention. I liked Martin Crowe.

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Didn't Roebuck turn out to be bit of a 'complex character'?

Helped Somerset to inexplicably get shot of Richards, Garner and Botham, then ended up taking his own life after a non cricket related issue?

Sad that anyone has to be in the place that they have to do that.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

A bit younger, I missed the entire gobbing and fights thing by a whisker, I started going to non-family-trip gigs in 1980. Plus I didn’t see any modern Ska bands, which helped. I would’ve seen The Stranglers and SLF at the beginning of the 80’s, people were literally there just for the music and amicable bundle.

Mrs.W’s uncle (recently passed away) held a good job at The Suite for decades. A mine of information, he could reel off the gigs with a ton of crowd trouble. All the predictable suspects.

Regarding the bass, could you play a near perfect rendition of JD’s Heart and Soul opening bassline, off the cuff? I was thinking of that wonderful start yesterday.

I just tried (using an acoustic guitar). Yes, yes I can

 

[Weststander]

Didn't Roebuck turn out to be bit of a 'complex character'?

Helped Somerset to inexplicably get shot of Richards, Garner and Botham, then ended up taking his own life after a non cricket related issue?

Sad that anyone has to be in the place that they have to do that.

I remember him being part of the posh-boy establishment with their committee, who eased Richards and Garner out (was it both them?), Richard's mate Botham then left for Worcestershire [need to check the sauce] on principle.

Looking up things last night, it was a shame to see that opener Peter Denning died at 57 from C.

 

[Weststander]

I just tried (using an acoustic guitar). Yes, yes I can

Do you have any limitations?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Do you have any limitations?

Yes. I struggle to play along with this beaut.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Thanks for the link. Not seen that before. There is another page on the punk Brighton site.

I was at that XTC gig at the New Regent, and had numerous interactions with the Molesters. John and Carole had a sideline in porn and were apparently known for flagrantly having it off in venue dressing rooms. I auditioned as bass player when Paul was looking to form a new line up around late 78, but that didn't happen. I wasn't fond of Paul who I literally bumped into a year earlier at a Piranhas gig at the Alhambra. In very un punk style this 'old' bloke (he was very late 20s in 77, I was 19) got into a shoving contest with me over his personal space during a moment of audience liveliness. I thought 'what a dick'. In 1980 I was sharing a flat with my GF, and Tracy who had been in the band, not sure if she had left or what. She thought inverting Spenser Tracy would make a good stage name. She married Paul for a laugh, but didn't live with him. One evening we came home and Tracy had obviously been in a fight. Apparently she'd gone round Paul's flat and found him in bed with A Lady. Later she was in the Smartees for a bit. Tracy tended to fall out with people, especially women, loathing Carole, and later falling out with Helen McCullogh (MCookerybook). Like her dad, she has had issues with drink. Sober she was great fun. I saw her a bit in the late noughties, but random ranting late night drunken phone calls, plus a kerfuffel she caused at my ex wife's third wedding (don't ask) had me backing away, and I haven't been in touch since 09. I seem to recall that the great love of her life was (actually scrub that. His bother posts on NSC and we discussed this some time ago. Enough said). I am not sure what all that malarkey about squatting was. Paul was definitely not a bored teenager, and Tracy obviously was a trustafarian. Attila (and at least one other poster on NSC) had a run in with the Molesters at the Resources Centre according to something posted on here possibly 20 years ago and they were definitely more the art school end of punk, rather than one chord wonders. One thing I find odd is that I was all over the local scene in the summer of 77 and after that till around 1980, but I never came across Attila or his band. It was all Molesters, Wrist Action (Tom Maltby), Joby and the Hooligans, The Chefs (the GF knew Carl), Piranhas and my favourites (ssshhhh! not 'punk') The Dandies. Tracy's mum (an absolute diamond) was still living in the penthouse 15 years ago but I think they sold Lansdown studios (which I visited around 79).

As so often H, sorry TL;DR. Shame, it looked quite interesting. Especially to one who used to penpal with Helen in her dayjob in a bookshop in London town, and who once promoted the Piranhas in the Medway Towns (spoiler: it ended in tears and a veritable sea of broken glass) and who passively shared their smoke in their TOTP dressing room (had to be careful on that score, seeing as how I worked there). Spent more time reviewing Brighton bands for the Kent Evening Post than I spent reviewing Kent bands

Anyways, enough Top Trumping for now. Back to the matter at hand....

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Have to say, The Longest Feud: Chappell(i) v Botham is the best telly I've seen all year. It's very short (44 minutes) but it's supremely entertaining. Pleasepleaseplease watch it. In an ideal world, if you're not an Amazon Prime subscriber, try and and schedule it for December to watch alongside the Free Month Trial Albion matches.

*edit* Further thought: this could - and should! - be expanded into an equally marvellous Sporting Feud mini-series. I'm thinking:

- Benn v Eubank
- Roy Keane v The World

 

[Commander]

Have to say, The Longest Feud: Chappell(i) v Botham is the best telly I've seen all year. It's very short (44 minutes) but it's supremely entertaining. Pleasepleaseplease watch it. In an ideal world, if you're not an Amazon Prime subscriber, try and and schedule it for December to watch alongside the Free Month Trial Albion matches.

*edit* Further thought: this could - and should! - be expanded into an equally marvellous Sporting Feud mini-series. I'm thinking:

- Benn v Eubank
- Roy Keane v The World

Gerard Houllier v David Ginola.